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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled.  Secondary.  Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank.  And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.   :lol: [/quote]

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts. [/quote]
Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it. [/quote]

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.[/quote]
You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period. [/quote]

It’s crazy that we’ve had all of these months and still don’t have widespread rapid testing.  That would help so much- even if you could test all kids/teachers at the start of each week.  Even if they are not 100% accurate you’d still catch a lot more and have a reasonable path forward.  If we could get a good testing strategy down, I would go back (in this area, where numbers are good) without question.

I don’t think it’s realistic to expect to be provided hospital-grade PPE in schools.  Plenty of people out there working to keep society going in cloth and surgical masks.  Of my numerous family members in essential positions, the only ones being provided fitted N95s are a police officer and those working in hospitals (and even then they get one per shift).  Who doesn’t have a proper supply of masks by now anyway? Have y’all been sitting at home since March?[/quote]
Speaking as a self contained special education teacher, yes, we do need hospital grade PPE. We have students who bite and spit. We have been told our kids don’t have to wear masks. My kids need help blowing their noses, toileting, tying shoes, etc. so we have no choice but to be hands on with them. I’m not wearing a cloth mask to physically assist a student like that. Teachers should not be begging friends and family for money for PPE to fund an unsafe school opening, and I refuse to do that. I agree that gen ed teachers of older students don’t need N95s, face shields, etc. [/quote]

Yet they’re good enough for the grocery store workers who need to deal with hundreds of people per day, including beligerant ones. Got it.[/quote]
I just laughed when I read that. You spelled belligerent wrong. And grocery store workers don't assist customers in the bathroom, blow their noses, hold them when they cry, tie their shoes, or physically touch them in any way. They stand behind plexiglass and you have a 2 minute interaction with them. They can also throw out customers who aren't wearing masks. Give me a plexiglass barrier to stand behind, limit my interaction with students to 2 minutes, prevent me from having to touch them, and sure! I'll wear a cloth mask. 
That is the worst analogy I've ever seen.  [/quote]

Yeah I laughed too- a SPED teacher is more analogous to a nursing home worker. Give teachers the same PPE as nursing home staff and then we can talk. Until then, the safest place for those kids and teachers is at home.[/quote]

NP. I don’t work in a nursing home but I work in a hospital. We’re given one surgical mask for the whole day. One flimsy eyeglass that’s supposed to be one time used but are supposed to reuse it unless it breaks. We’re given N95s only if we need to go in a covid+ or PUI(person under investigation) room. And that’s only one N95 and one face shield per day. We do have enough hand sanitizers and hand washing stations with soap. We also have carefully regulated wipes to clean.

I think we should push for in-person learning for young kids who cannot benefit from DL. Super high risk kids should do DL, and parents should have an option for distance learning. We should push for budgeting that allows enough sanitizers and hand washing stations. Kids can and will wear masks. My 2year old will wear a mask if asked. Kids get used to it. Again, for higher risk kids needing accommodation, DL should be an option.

I don’t know how we can make totally fair, but I am more than willing to donate money and supplies for school. I am sure a lot of parents would prioritize this for in person learning versus spending money on other luxuries.

Hospitalizations has been a lot lower than what we saw a few months ago. Healthcare providers have learned a great deal in how to manage these patients. Not to minimize the gravity of what this virus can do to people.

The vaccines that are supposed to come out have cut so many corners in safety and efficacy studies. It takes years to develop effective and safe vaccines, not mere months. We can be sure that when and if it comes out, it won’t be this big end all be all of covid 19.

Our small kids are growing so fast and they are missing these important years where they learn about living in a community, following rules, be good citizens. At some point we have to take some risk so we don’t lock our kids inside our houses for years. This may very well last at least 2-4 years.

Can we all come together and come up with solutions instead of hiding and just saying nope can’t be done?[/quote]
I’m not sure what to tell you. [b]As a teacher, I don’t have a chance to wash my hands for four hours at a time. [/b]My workplace is not clean. My students are NOT wearing masks, because it has been deemed “developmentally inappropriate” for them to do so. My students come in sick and then their parents refuse to pick them up, so they sit in my class coughing all day (this continued to happen even mid March right before schools were closed, after COVID had been declared a pandemic). If my students WERE wearing masks, I had access to basic hygiene, there was a zero tolerance policy regarding sick students, and our schools were cleaned regularly then I think it would be fine. Because none of this is the case and there is no funding to do so, I don’t think we should. We can’t rely on parent donations. I work in a Title I school and we don’t receive any parent donations, which would mean that schools in wealthier neighborhoods would be significantly safer than mine. That’s immoral and wrong. [/quote]

You really can't wash your hands for 4 hours? Ever heard of personal size hand sanitizer? It's so obvious you don't even want to try to make it work.

At least try harder the next time you come up with some BS excuse. [/quote]

I'm not a teacher and have never worked for a school system, but your post makes me furious. You are a selfish abusive a@@. I am sick to death of these attacks on teachers. Be responsible for your kid yourself. When teachers do a crappy job,  I'm there with you billybobdrumpster. There is nothing unreasonable at all in expecting a safe work space and as the poster above mentioned, the safe safety threshold in your mind is so low it's a joke. [/quote]

We have had our fair of bad teachers but blaming the teachers is wrong.  Many of us parents don't want our kids going back yet either.  Hand sanitizer is not a substitute for hand washing and this is mostly air born so hand washing helps but is not a solution.  At our last school, we often went without heat or ac so not sure where all this good ventilation is when we had to dress kids in layers and send extra clothing.  We are trying to get donations for our PTSA but a low income school and we are really struggling.  [/quote]

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