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"Differences in distributions of traits between men and women may in part explain why we don’t have 50% representation of women in tech and leadership. Discrimination to reach equal representation is unfair, divisive, and bad for business."

[blah blah blah extensive discussion about the "science" of how women are biologically less suited to being leaders and coders]

"Discriminating just to increase the representation of women in tech is as misguided and biased as mandating increases for women’s representation in the homeless, work-related and violent deaths, prisons, and school dropouts."

"Once we acknowledge that not all differences are socially constructed or due to discrimination, we open our eyes to a more accurate view of the human condition which is necessary if we actually want to solve problems."

Basically he starts from two faulty premise (women are inherently less suited to being engineers and and leaders) and draws a faulty conclusion (therefore, diversity efforts are bad and discriminatory, because men will always be inherently better). [/quote]

The quotes you provide don't reflect your summary.  They state that they may in part explain differences in representation in technology and leadership. The other quotes state that discrimination is not a remedy, and that not all differences are social constructs, and that these need to be considered if you want to provide solutions.

Why do you not consider his statements with regards to traits not to be true?  You appear quite dismissive of the science he cites. It appears he chose relatively mild language here in presenting his arguments. Do you have alternative studies to provide that refute his points? Do you feel that discrimination should be a remedy, and if so why is it justified?[/quote]

just give it up dude. slink back to your MRA sites. [/quote]

Unfortunately if you can't address these points, one comes out sounding the same as a climate change denier. It becomes almost a religious viewpoint more so than a rationale one.

One''s mind shouldn't just dismiss data that they don't like.  Assuming that we all work in STEM here, that can lead to disastrous conclusions![/quote]

ok.

I disagree with your science. There is plenty of evidence that women are well suited to software engineering and leadership, but are kept out due to hostility and gender stereotyping. I think Damore is motivated by sexism. [/quote]

So to clarify, is your view is that women are only kept out due to hostility and gender stereotyping without any other factors involved?

Given the anonymous nature of this forum its difficult to tell with whom I am having a conversation.[/quote]

I'm saying it's the most important reason, and there's no way to disentangle any other factors until we remedy discrimination. [/quote]

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