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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Meanwhile at the Poland and Ukraine border.  This is provoking Russia and we shouldn't be there.

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Putin doesn't need any provocation.  He has bombed hospitals, schools, apartments, and committed other war crimes.  
Why are the US and other countries allowing Putin to set the rules of engagement and the timeline?  
Why are world leaders so fearful of this maniac?  It is time to stop fearing him and start getting a spine.  [/quote]
OMG! Why are you so eager for WWIII? Is the destruction of one country not good enough for you? Should we destroy all of European the world to make you happy?
If you are a Trumper, should you not be happy about no more wars rhetoric? After all, you praise Trump so much for it.[/quote]

So, what’s your game plan?

Let Putin take Ukraine? Ok. Then what? Does Putin stop there? Why would he?

The world has given Putin the green light by standing down and making clear we only protect nato countries…even when you commit war crimes and create a refugee crisis that impacts Europe, and even when Americans are impacted by gas prices.

So, your plan is to just let Putin takes what he wants and kill whomever gets in the way? To hold the world hostage with nuclear weapons? Ok.

Quick question: why do you trust Putin not to go nuclear and not to invade other countries as long as we stand down while he takes Ukraine? [/quote]

If Putin is a crazy maniac because he invaded Ukraine, what does that make us, after our invasion of Iraq that led to nearly a million deaths?

Was the invasion of Iraq more or less justifiable than Putin's invasion of Iraq?

The underlying problem here is not crazy leaders, but rather distrust -- distrust of other countries, and of other peoples. Our distrust of Saddam, in the case of Iraq. Putin and the Russian government's distrust of NATO, which they believe is gradually encircling Russia and may ultimately aim for regime change in Moscow. Our distrust of Putin, who some Americans believe is a crazy maniac (although he seems quite intelligent and better behaved in interviews than most of our own leaders).

This distrust among nations and great powers is legit, in my view. It is not a sign of madness. Putin truly does have reasons to distrust NATO; NATO truly does have reasons to distrust Putin; the US did indeed have some legit reasons to distrust Saddam.

It takes decades for nations to gradually move from distrust to trust. NATO and Russia have failed, over the last 20 years, to build a better relationship with each other. I blame both sides. The US and NATO must share in some of the blame -- not blame for invading Ukraine, but blame for staying trapped in a Cold War mentality towards Russia, and for failing to listen to Russia's repeated concerns about a potential NATO membership. We dismissed these concerns as absurd, but they are broadly shared throughout Russian government and society.

It is so frustrating, this situation, given that the average American, Russian and Ukrainian can function perfectly together, and enjoy each other's company. There are no huge cultural barriers between us. If only we could rewind the last 15 years and try again. I feel like we could do better if we only had a second chance.

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We can’t rewind, and while I’m with you in part, we did not invade Iraq because of distrust of Saddam or reasonable belief in him possessing WMD. This was about resources and storming in to steal a pie off of another nations windowsill, and to issue payback for the temerity Iraq showed in the Gulf War. Our country was run by the innately entitled, militaristic and corrupt, and we killed probably at least a million innocents because it was a day ending in Y, and so e of our garbage children committed war crimes. Can we all grow up about this at last?

This isn’t about trust - it’s about money. We’ve let Russians who stole their national assets come and wash money through properties here. One of our political parties let itself be bribed and honeypotted into complicity with Putin’s worldview, because it dovetails beautifully with their own nationalism. We get out of this by listening to the Fiona Hills of this world.[/quote]

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