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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Meanwhile at the Poland and Ukraine border.  This is provoking Russia and we shouldn't be there.

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Putin doesn't need any provocation.  He has bombed hospitals, schools, apartments, and committed other war crimes.  
Why are the US and other countries allowing Putin to set the rules of engagement and the timeline?  
Why are world leaders so fearful of this maniac?  It is time to stop fearing him and start getting a spine.  [/quote]
OMG! Why are you so eager for WWIII? Is the destruction of one country not good enough for you? Should we destroy all of European the world to make you happy?
If you are a Trumper, should you not be happy about no more wars rhetoric? After all, you praise Trump so much for it.[/quote]

So, what’s your game plan?

Let Putin take Ukraine? Ok. Then what? Does Putin stop there? Why would he?

The world has given Putin the green light by standing down and making clear we only protect nato countries…even when you commit war crimes and create a refugee crisis that impacts Europe, and even when Americans are impacted by gas prices.

So, your plan is to just let Putin takes what he wants and kill whomever gets in the way? To hold the world hostage with nuclear weapons? Ok.

Quick question: why do you trust Putin not to go nuclear and not to invade other countries as long as we stand down while he takes Ukraine? [/quote]

I just listened to a podcast called the Ezra Klein Show where he interviewed Masha Gessen. His "best senario" goes like this:
Putin takes Ukraine at least to Keiv, carpet bombs the rest and kills Zelensky. If he himself survives this, he'll then take another country and another. The way to stop that is stop him now or have him not living anymore.

His worst case is that Putin uses a nuke in Ukraine and the world responds.[/quote]

Masha (she) and Fiona Hill are both recent guests on that pod, and I think Hill said a lot to enlighten the posters here screaming about “standing up to bullies” as their effective game plan. She emphasized that to avoid global catastrophic involvement, Putin needs to score some kind of advancement, likeofficial recognition of Donbas and Crimea as Russian, no-NATO pledge for Ukraine. This is what we’re really arguing about on this thread. A lot of people seem to think it’s “brave” to rub Putin’s face in a pile of shit and put him in stockades til the end of time and let ordinary Russians read the Federalist Papers and that will bloodlessly end this, and that’s insane. This isn’t a Hallmark movie about moving on after a cad dumps you. There will be something that he is granted in order to end this. [/quote]

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