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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm getting lost on what the argument is?

Is one side saying there is no way to play college if not playing on grade? Or is that argument that you can get recruited but exposure will be significantly limited?

And is the other side saying there is absolutely no negative impact to playing with the lower grade? Or is that argument that you can do that when young and then adjust later?[/quote]
We'll be changing from BY to SY this fall. In SY 8/1-7/31 because different school districts start at different times there is a potential for the youngest in the grade (August September birthdays) to play on a club team thats a grade down from them I. school. As an example they would be the only 6th grade player on a team of 5th grade players.

This causes issues when players are looking to get recruited and play in college because 90% of recruiting occurs in players Sophmore year (official offers occur Junior year). If you're and Aug birthday Sophmore playing on a team with freshman you will get ignored / immediately discounted by college recruiters. To address the issue Aug/Sept birthdays just need to play up on a team with players their grade in school.

Theres several other issues playing down a grade creates. But college recruitment is the big one.[/quote]

If the Aug or Sept birthday player isn’t good enough to play up with their grade year, then he isn’t good enough to get recruited with his grade year.  Not that hard to understand![/quote]Clubs mostly said no playing up, college coaches said they don't need you to play up. Case by case. No hard and fast rules. No judgement.[/quote]

I agree with this, however, would a player playing on age end up being at a disadvantage when they end up having to mix with their grade at showcases or when they play on grade/year their freshman year in college? Is there any literature/research that addresses this point?[/quote]The relative age effect literature shows the advantages of being the oldest in an age group when young and it decreasing as the kids get older but overall having a cumulative effect so in theory if you switch age groups after the bulk of puberty it wouldn't matter because at that point there isn't as much difference between the age groups as when the kids are really young. But every kid is different and you know yours best, best of luck with yours.[/quote]

This makes sense in terms of comparing physical abilities between players. I do wonder about the influence of the level of competition of a player playing with a lower grade and have to then start mixing with higher grades during their later years. Although one can argue a player playing with a lower grade could get more touches on the ball which would also have a positive impact on their development.[/quote] Hopefully kids can play on teams at some point where they are dominate to gain confidence, and other times where they are average to below average to humble them into working to get better, regardless of grade. Switching teams and trying out are skills to be learned regardless of playing on age or up.[/quote]
Nope, you're not going to steal some other kids opportunity by playing down.[/quote]Of course you can't play down but it is an interesting point. Technically everybody is taking someone else's spot whatever age group they play. But there would have to be a point where because that one kid is playing, the club can put together another team. So sometimes one kid playing lets 9 or so other kids play that wouldn't have been able to. Keep playing to save those 9 or so kids.[/quote]
Not to be a jerk because it seems like you're just starting to figure this stuff out.

But, there literally are parents and club owners that want Aug/Sept players to play down. It makes the parents with lower level players feel like winners and club owners make more money from an extra year of club.

When you call it out they get crazy just like you see here. They hate when parents take control and say enough of the nonsense.[/quote]Teams on their FAQ were very clear that you can't play down, and that they are trying to get the clubs to SY by playing everyone on age. And the whole point of RAE, the older part of the age group feels like winners, gets motivated and doubles down on playing soccer. Sports teams are always musical chairs. [/quote]
There is no point in rae. No matter how you slice the bread there will always be winners and losers.

The problem with rae is it gives the losers something to grab onto and potentially use to leverage hurt feelings onto an A team roster spot.[/quote]If the clubs evaluated players more on skill and less on size and speed for wins, RAE wouldn't be an issue. RAE is caused by coaches gunning for wins. RAE is huge. [/quote]
Rae is a figment of loser parents imagination. Its the perfect excuse that can be used for anthing.[/quote]Do you have any research indicating that RAE is a myth and the academics that have spent their  lives studying it are wrong and you are right?[/quote]
Yes I do

https://medium.com/@giacorada/the-fascinating-birth-trend-among-professional-soccer-players-b2a48d015e7d

[img]https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:750/format:webp/1*NC1hOoYqdKOBgBthmNhAyA.png[/img][/quote]I really like this chart because shows that if you want you boy to play soccer professionally, you want them to be born in the oldest months of the age group when they were kids, Aug for SY and Jan for BY and you don't want them to be the youngest, Jun/July for SY and Dec for BY.

Thank you.[/quote]

Meme guy should re-read your response. It's a good theory.[/quote]

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