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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][img]https://imgur.com/a/ELtYXAP[/img] His feet are clear of the car when he shoots the first time. He was not in danger. It comes down to that. [/quote] I think it’s even worse than that. If it’s the officer that creates a dangerous situation, then he can’t use the foreseeable risks to try to jurist deadly force. He stepped in front of a car that was in drive, then used that as the excuse. [/quote] His tactics were horrible. But that does not negate the fact that he likely thought his life was in danger because a 4500 lb car was being accelerated towards him when he fired the first shot. Watch the videos frame by frame. Also, he’s not standing 15 feet away like most of the video. He can only hear engine rev, tires spin, and see the car coming direct at him when he chose to act. Perfect defense? No. Beyond a reasonable doubt? Probably. [/quote] Then why did he follow his first shot with TWO more kill shots? Why did he call her an effing B? Why did he walk away without checking to see how she was and rendering any assistance after she crashed her car?[/quote] Doesn’t matter if he reasonably believed his life or the life of his partner were in danger was in danger. Which he probably did. [/quote] The standard is would a reasonable person believe their life was in danger when he fired each individual shot. As in firing through the driver's window for shots 2 and 3.[/quote] The fact that thousands of reasonable people saw different things in the video means there was reasonable doubt. Sorry if you can’t understand that. [/quote] You think a reasonable person would find it necesssary to shoot twice through the driver's open side window as the car passed by?[/quote] If you thought your life was in danger, in a split second decision, [b]after being dragged by another criminal 6 months earlier[/b]? Probably, maybe, I hope I never find out. [/quote] This makes whatever fear he did have unreasonable. It is subjective and the standard is an objective standard. And if it impacted him to that extent, Bovino, Homan and Noem are directly culpable for putting him back in this duty.[/quote] It is the opposite of subjective. It shows he had first hand knowledge of the dangers of arresting criminals operating motor vehicles in confined spaces. [/quote] Then he should not have tried to assist other agents attempting to keep her on the scene by standing in front of the car using his body (or pointed gun) to prevent her leaving. This wasn’t a battle during wartime. This was driving down a street filled with non combat civilians, and they were essentially freelance parking police. This didn’t require combat techniques. [/quote]
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