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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am having trouble seeing an ending to this conflict other than for Ukraine to agree to maintain neutrality in the future -- that is, to stay outside of NATO.

I admire Zelensky's bravery. But I wonder if, in the end, he will simply have to agree to roughly the same deal he could have obtained prior to the invasion.

It isn't just Putin who doesn't want Ukraine in NATO -- according to William Burns, it is virtually the entire Russian government.[/quote]

They dont need to be in NATO.  Get virtually the same benefits by being in the EU.  It'd be a win win and is the obvious compromise that allows Russia to save face.[/quote]

At this point not being in Nato and demilitarization as per putin means annihilation of Ukraine - If not in this war, then in a future war 5, 8 or 10 years down the road. It’s not a viable option for Ukraine and not worth fighting and the sacrifices it is now making.[/quote]

DP.  Many Ukrainians would rather die than lives under Russia’s thumb.[/quote]

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