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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maybe the second ATC who left early (because of staff shortages) would have been more specific re where the plane was.  Some pilots say absolutely should be been more specific in that air space.  Anyone know what is actually required?[/quote]

How much more specific could they have been? I’m sure the helicopter team would’ve been offended by being talked down to as if they didn’t know what they were doing. That happens all the time across all career paths. Additional instruction is taken as an insult to your abilities.[/quote]

Agree, not casting any blame, but appears the helo crew was quick to respond both times along the lines of "yeah yeah we got it, visual sep pls, thank you".

Some kind of a malfunction, maybe the altimeter will likely be the proximal cause.
We need to invest in finding ways to fail safely.
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If you look on Reddit aviation, someone called this situation the most common ‘lie’ in flying. That a pilot is typically focused on their instruments and just reflexively says ‘plane in view’ or whatever and then gives themselves a second to adjust their view and get the object in site. I guess this time it didn’t work.

If the ATC had been more specific, it might have helped. If the airport wasn’t so busy, it might have helped. And most of all, clearly the rules about helo flying under heavy jet traffic with only visual separation has to be re thought. Hopefully the rules will change. This was an accident waiting to happen. [/quote]

This was one of the less busy “zones of time” Reagan experiences FWIW. [/quote]
Probably. 4-7pm and 6-9am looks way busier. Oh well.[/quote]

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