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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Do you think this decision would force parents to allow invasive medical care for infants that are born with severe medical problems?  I can see that happening.  If you forced me to give birth to a child I knew had very little chance, could you force me to make that child suffer through surgeries and other interventions after birth?

This is all so messed up.[/quote]
I doubt it. It's well-established that forced-birthers don't give a f** about babies after they are born.[/quote]

No more a fact than if I claimed that abortionists like you don't care if babies live or die.[/quote]

Actually completely different.  An embryo is not a baby.[/quote]

Fine. Abortionists like you can say you're pregnant with an embryo. Women i know say they're pregnant with a baby. [/quote]

I am pro-choice and my BIL was pro-life. We both call our pregnancies “the baby”.  One day, in SIL’s third trimester, BIL & SIL found out that the baby was developing without any brain.  There was no hope that the baby would ever do more than live in a vegetative state for an undetermined amount of time - days, weeks, months, maybe a couple of years at best.  The baby would require around the clock care-giving.  BIL and SIL chose to have an abortion.

People who have abortions sometimes are aborting babies - they are often wanted pregnancies until something goes catastrophically wrong.  BIL and SIL made the best possible choice for them and their future family, which includes 3 more babies that they had after their abortion. Babies that they never would have had but for abortion.

Abortion is pro-life, but it includes not only thinking about whether the baby lives or dies, but also what kind of quality of life the baby and family would have.

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PP here. I'm very much in agreement that many abortions are needed and appropriate. I'm not opposed and think a woman and her doctor and the father of the baby (if involved) should decide. I'm opposed to abortions on demand [/quote]

My SIL needed an “abortion on demand”.  Thank god she didn’t have to justify her decision to abort. There was no one to get to sign off on the abortion, no one to judge whether the baby was anencephalic enough to have an abortion, etc.  Had she had to jump through hoops to justify her abortion it would have taken even longer to arrange and thus been at an even later time in the third trimester and she would have been even more traumatized.

[b]When you say you are opposed to “abortions on demand”, you are opposed to women making the choice for themselves [/b]because you think there are just some bad women out there who are irresponsible and decide on a whim for some unjustifiable reason (to you) to get an abortion at the last minute.
A third trimester abortion costs something like $25k, takes 3-4 days and you have to travel to like one of 4 states in the country that actually does it.  Also less than 1% of all abortions are after 20 weeks, which in 2019 was something like 8-9000 abortions.  Women aren’t having 3rd term abortions on a whim. [/quote]

This.  Unbelievable.  These kinds of people are almost worse than the fervent believers who hold that every embryo is a full fledged person with rights.  If you’re fine with abortion in some circumstances, then butt out and let women and families make those hard decisions for themselves.  Who do you think you are?[/quote]

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