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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP again. I made a suggestion about integrating lunch and recess as an example because someone asked me to give a suggestion. I asked for reasons why to or why not to implement this and no one wrote in to say there would be a problem. People did write back saying it would help AAP and general ed integration, so without any problem noted, I came to the conclusion that this is something FCPS can integrate into all schools. I'm looking for more suggestions like this that can help fix the current situation especially at the schools where there are problems. I don't need to be the author of the suggestions though. [/quote]

Have you seriously read any of the responses on this thread? Or only the ones that parroted what you said?

Plenty of posters shared logistical reasons why open lunch time and seating based off grade would NOT work. Reasons given by many posters included cafeteria [b]size,[/b] time and logistic constraints, most schools not having mixed homerooms in the middle of the day, and several other reasons.

Very few people said open lunch seating was a practical idea that should be implemented distric wide. In fact, most of the posts advocating open lunch times were by you alone.[/quote]

I didn't write in advocating for the mixed lunch other than making the suggestion and describing how it would help AAP and general ed students. Someone wrote in that their school had 1000 students and it worked, so that negated the one poster who thought cafeteria size was an issue. I think there is only one elementary at 1000 students and the rest are all smaller, often much smaller. Others also wrote in that the AAP students mixed and the general ed students mixed and they all ate at the same time but just separately. I don't see the logistical challenge in those classrooms mixing. Specials are often in the middle of the day and all schools now mix for them, so why would mixing for lunch and recess pose a problem? There is no academic issue to deal with. Right now a good number of center and LLIV schools mix for lunch and recess. Some of them don't but it's more likely that they don't because there has been no pressure to do so. Not because of a logistical challenge. If there are any, maybe FCPS could ask them to do something else to help with integration, but it just seems like more schools could mix based on the feedback given.

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One poster saying her huge school mixes lunch does not negate all the other posters saying it wpuld not work at their schools.

The schools are not universal, not in size, student body, parenting types, achievement and certainly not building size/cafeterias.[/quote]

NP here.  I think what's clear is that some of you do not want AAP and Gen Ed kids to mix.  At all.  Not at lunch, not at recess, not in a box, not with a fox.  There is NO reason they can't mix in a homeroom setting, where that class goes together on field trips, sits together at lunch or assemblies, has library time, class parties, etc.  When class lists come out each August, Gen Ed and AAP kids should be placed in mixed homerooms.  They switch anyway for core subjects, so I'm absolutely not seeing why this isn't going to work.

You might as well simply say, "We don't want our AAP kids mixing with your Gen Ed kids, period," because every nonsensical roadblock you continue to throw out makes this fact abundantly clear.[/quote]

You are being too sensitive and only seeing what you want to see.

I am the poster you are responding too.

I, along with many, many other AAP parents, have repeatedly posted that at our kids' centers, gen ed and AAP kids happily mix for specials, recess, field trips and after school activities.

PP for whatever reason is fixated on lunch. And only lunch. And for whatever strange reason, she can't understand what many posters keep saying (including me and at both our base school and center) mixing kids in a special homeroom during the lunch hour so that all kids can have open lunch seating during lunch simply is not practical at many (if not most) fcps elementary schools. The cafeterias are too small. They are trying to schedule lunch for, in some cases, 40-50 classes, while allowing enough time for everyone to get through the lunch line, kindergarteners to have a reasonable, middle of the day time, with lunches running between 10:15-2:30 in some cases, all while maximizing instructional time.

And yet OP keeps fixating on mixing lunch as the grand solution to hurt feelings of parents about AAP and as the means to improve the academics of gen ed throughout fcps, while other parents like you are filled with rage that others suggest that having an organized lunch by class is not a grand master plan by fcps to exalt AAP kids and stomp down gen ed kids.

This thread has gone page after page of OP arguing that if we only combine lunch then everyone on dcum AAP forum will feel vindicated that gen ed, is indeed, important to fcps, and only complete agreement by every last AAP parent that lunch should indeed be the priority will show that AAP parents are not complete monsters with bratty stupidly average spawn.

It is hilariously ridiculous to put it kindly.[/quote]

[b]OP here. That is totally untrue. You are constantly just trying to tear people down with the same rhetoric. You say the same thing over and over and all I get from your comments are that you want the status quo. You have absolutely no suggestions for improvement and just want to argue. You don't want change. That's fine. Others do. 
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I've told you over and over the lunch suggestion was ONE suggestion to start with and I did it at the request of a poster to list one. I then tried to end the lunch discussion after many others responded by asking if we could agree that some center schools, not all, could implement mixed lunch and then tried to MOVE ON to a different topic asking people about HOW TO IMPROVE LEVEL 2 AND 3 SERVICES since that had already come up as a concern. That went nowhere because you kept arguing about how I was on some sort of mission to implement my own changes despite me saying that our school did not have any AAP general ed problems and kept bringing up the lunch thing again and again.

From the start I asked for other's proposed changes because we are not at a center and I was just hoping to end some of this bickering on DCUM and bring up FCPS's reputation. But instead I got one-sided venting or arguing and name calling. People saying to others stuff like You. Just.Don't.Get.It. as if we can't understand each other's viewpoints. There's no way to come to a mutual decision if everyone just gives their own perspective and doesn't give the perspective of the other side. For some reason, most people don't know how to argue properly anymore. In order to arrive at any consensus you have to be able to discuss the counter argument and consider other's viewpoints. Then through discussion you often arrive at a mutual compromise. That's all I'm looking for. If you have a story of your own you want to share as well, fine, but this thread was about helping AAP and general ed together therefore any argument to me should tell the perspective of the proposed change from both sides.

The last comment I made was to step back and LIST WHAT THE ACTUAL PROBLEMS WITH AAP AND GENERAL ED are because people were having a hard time coming up with new suggestions since they only knew their own school well. I figured if we had a goal and problems listed then that would at least be a start to improving the situation. The goal was provided by someone else, I added on to it and then asked if the goal was worthwhile to which I also got no response. If there is a mutual goal and set of problems listed by the DCUM community, then it could more easily be discussed at the school level if the change only pertained to some schools. Others could be brought up at a school board public hearing to get a wider perspective. The suggestion to make a list of problems also went nowhere again because of your obstructionist attitude. In 24 pages, you have made zero suggestions for how to improve AAP and general ed. Why don't you come up with a suggestion of your own instead of just being here to try to insult others? If you have no suggestions and just want to keep the status quo, just say that and move on. Your presence would probably be better served on the Sound off if you think AAP is BS thread which is doing a pretty good job of tearing down AAP. It could use some AAP supporters who want to keep the status quo.[/quote]

You don't know what I have posted or suggested, and that there are certainly several posters besides me who said mixing lunch will not work at their particular schools.

You also don't know if I have kids currently in AAP level IV or not.  In fact, my kids who are in elementary grade are all not in AAP.  In fact, one kid was in the (gasp) just outside of the cut off group of kids that posters on dcum seem to claim are universally shunned and maligned by fcps and other AAP kids.

We do know which posts are your posts, for the most part. And based off your posts, you don't want solutions., only agreement.

Anyone who has a different experience at their school or a positive experience with AAP or who has suggestions that do not involve complete elimination of AAP or complete combining of AAP with general ed is dismissed by you and a few others as invalid, unworthy of discussion, and as a clear example of how awful AAP parents and kids are and that they only want complete segregation of AAP kids. The last, most common accusation is completely ludicrous, especially since poster after poster (including me whose AAP aged kids are all currently in gen ed) keeps stating that in our centers the kids mix for every logistically possble class and activity they can, while other posters post that their classes, AAP and gen ed, don't switch classes at all except for specials.

[b]You don't want solutions. You just want agrrement, which is very clear the more you post.[/b][/quote]

Very much agree!  The OP's posts and this thread are entirely contrived.

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