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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]11:46, can you think of a time when women were treated respectfully, as autonomous human beings who had the right to control their own bodies?[/quote]

11:46 here:  No, not that I know of, not in our culture.  BUT, I do think that actually at my college at least in the 90s, it was actually a time when women were treated respectfully as autonomous human beings with the right to control our own bodies.  Now, I think my college was and still is probably much better than most.  [b]But it also was the case that when I was in high school and college, the average age of sexual activity was later than it is now.[/b]  I feel like girls are getting the message much earlier that their sexuality is their value.  And boys are getting that message about girls too.  So they don't treat them as humans.  [/quote]

No, it actually wasn't.  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1802108/figure/F2/[/quote]

That chart doesn't support you.  The latest data in it are from over 10 years ago.[/quote]

How about this?

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-ATSRH.html#1

And if you don't like those data either, then please find some data that support the idea that the average age of first sexual activity is earlier now than in the 1990s.[/quote]

No I DO like that one!  It looks like it's comparing early '90s to 2006-2008.  Not perfect, but it's at least somewhat persuasive.  But I do know that the age of sex initiation in *my* peer group and culture versus in my kids' peer group and culture shows that it's gotten earlier during that time.  This is also what my friend who's a pediatrician says she has seen in her patient population.  So, while across the population as a whole it may have stayed steady or gotten later (which would be great), it does appear that among the college-bound upper-middle class kids, it's gotten earlier.  From that very small small data set, that is.  If there are statistics that actually break that down across different demographic groups, I'd love to see them.[/quote]

What you have is not data. It's anecdotes.[/quote]

Well, no, what I have is a very small data set.  But I agree with you that it's not significant enough to answer the question I'm asking.  Your data answers a broader question, which is helpful.  I would love to see data that actually can answer it.  I suspect it doesn't exist, at least not recently enough to be relevant.  [/quote]

Well, have you looked for the data?[/quote]

Oh, actually I just read the study that your Guttmacher cite is based on, and it doesn't actually support your conclusion.  It shows that age of first sexual experience is earlier now than it was for my cohort (compare people born in the 70s with people born in the 90s).  
It's the article in the first footnote of that Guttmacher link, Figure 1.

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