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[quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

You remind me of Humpty-Dumpty who said the word means whatever he wants it to mean. Equality doesn't mean whatever you need it to mean to work with your argument.  That women and men are equal "in the eyes of Allah" doesn't mean they have equality.

Here is the gist of your argument: the set of rights and responsibilities granted to men ankd women under Shariah is complementary and they work together.

That's cool.  That doesn't mean they are "equal".  [b]Your argument would be better served if you just said that the roles of men and women in Islam are different from the Western views, and that works for Muslims. [/b]Rather than argue that they are "equal", knowing full well that this isn't true, and that the West should agree with this interpretation. You're fighting a losing battle.[/quote]

Thank you. I started to write exactly this: an effective argument would go something along the lines of, "Women and men have different roles in Islam than in the West, and Islamic laws reflect this. Muslims appreciate these rules, which create the Muslim society that they want to live in."

By contrast, when you simply say, "Women are treated equally under Islam," you're deliberately using the word "equally" in a way that you know is understood very differently by your listeners. That's why the accusations of deception. That's what provoked the 20 pages detailing the actual laws, which you complain so much about.[/quote]

Where the hell am I? Is this DC? I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of rednecks living in the back woods of Alabama. I am not Muslima, btw.

As a Muslim woman who lived in a Muslim country and who was very active in my local mosques, I have an understanding of how Muslim women think. You guys are ridiculous. You would be hard pressed to find Muslim women who would describe their lives as compared to men as anything other than just AND equal. In their eyes, justice = equality. In their eyes, separate rights does not necessarily mean inequality. A Muslim woman's idea of equality is having rights of equal value as compared to rights afforded to men. Separate rights may still have equal value.

Muslima explained this though she used the term equality. You guys knew full well what she was saying. You just enjoy bashing her because she was bold and proud to identify herself on an otherwise anonymous forum as a Muslim. This is bullying and you know it. Leave her alone and get off this rabid online bashing of a Muslim woman.

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Don't be ridiculous.

Muslima and you both understand very well that the word "equality" is commonly used in the West to mean equal treatment in all aspects of marriage and the law. Your feigned shock, that non-Muslims living in a secular country should understand how Muslims use the word "equal," is laughable. It's like expecting you to understand Christian or Jewish words that are freighted with particularly Christian and Jewish meanings.

Yes, we know you're not Muslima by the insults. You must by Abusive Muslim. We get it, your little conversion effort failed, and now you're po'd.[/quote]

You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights  in Islam,  the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is :roll: Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could  :roll: The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago.  Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz
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Muslima, you just crack me up!! You go, girl.[/quote]

:lol: Seriously, the ignorance in some of these posts crack me up. I laugh and laugh and then realize that they might really believe what they are writing and then I get scared lol[/quote]

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