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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"The peaceful minority is irrelevant."[/quote]

It's a peaceful majority, but yes they have made themselves irrelevant by not denouncing the fundamentalists who have hijacked their religion and their culture.[/quote]

Sigh. The moderator is going to come on and tell you it's pointless to expect peaceful Muslims to demonstrate or otherwise protest IS because (a) IS doesn't care what other Muslims, or you, think, and (b) IS isn't under any central Islamic authority.

I actually posted in Feedback (after the moderator locked a thread about this) that IS [i]does[/i] have to worry about public opinion, because it does need at least the tacit support of non-Wahhabi Sunnis in the area--IS only represented 10% of Mosul when it captured that city.  He deleted my thread. Other points are that Saudi opinion matters because they are also Wahhabis and there are some questions about financial links. So I don't agree with the moderator that Muslims or anybody else should just sit on their hands.[/quote]

If you bothered to read and pay attention to my post, you would have seen that I wrote this:

"IS may be susceptible to pressures from communities within the land it governs, but not from those well outside those lands."

I don't think anyone should sit on their hands. I just don't think it is correct to expect American Muslims to have a special responsibility in this regard. The American Muslims' ability to influence IS is no different that that of American Jews or American Christians.

Also, I think these discussions would be much more helpful if you actually showed some indication that you were interested in learning or gaining understanding rather than [i]simply debating. As long as your goal is to simply develop a counter-argument,[/i] very little that is beneficial will come out of these threads. 
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Wait, what? Disagreeing with your position, especially by providing substantive "counter-arguments" to your arguments (in my thread you deleted, I linked to a Post article) amounts to frivolously "simply debating"?

I spent hours yesterday figuring out the Ebionites. Thanks for noticing.[/quote]

What was different in that article that what I had already written? More importantly, what made you think that such a post was relevant to the "Website Feedback" forum?

The entire point of the original poster's argument was that he didn't want to talk about politics, but only the religious aspects. Then, you posted an article that was all about politics and nothing about religion. If you were actually trying to understand, you would not have missed either what I had written or what the OP had said was the purpose of his post.

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That OP didn't want to talk about religious aspects (e.g., are beheadings OK in Islam?) but about [i]spiritual/community[/i] aspects -- s/he asked, what are Muslim communities doing about the perception of their faith, here's what my (his/her) Catholic community did about the pedophelia.

We agree that IS cares about non-members in areas it controls and in areas might want to expand to.

I'm arguing that American Muslims [i]may[/i] be able to influence Sunnies in the region who are deciding between IS and the Shiite government. American Muslim opinion may influence Saudi Wahhabis and might even give the Administration more leverage in negotiations with other Muslim countries. I disagree, therefore, with your contention that American Muslims can't use their voices.

(Why was I posting in Feedback? Because you locked the thread on this forum, then you locked the thread that OP started in the Feedback forum, obviously.)[/quote]

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