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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]+1 Colleges and universities need to go back to requiring SAT/ACT and using them in admissions decisions along with grades and course rigor. Everyone needs to submit all attempts.

And if the new class of comp sci students ends up being all Asian and male, so be it. It should be crystal clear about who gets in and why. Tests are not secret. There are plenty of practice tests out there and online tools.

As a female, it should be no secret why I didn't get in. Schools should make applicant data public (no names, of course). If there are too many applicants with similar scores, courses and grades, then use a lottery.

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Believe it or not, there are other majors besides math, physics, and comp sci that aren’t easily quantified and ranked.[/quote]

I asked AI to quantify student characteristics as predictors of college success.

SAT scores by themselves contribute 25% to 35% of college success in the first year. So they are a powerful factor but not the whole story.

Income predicts 15% to 25%.

Parents having both completed college is 20% to 30%.

Gender: 5% to 15%

Race: 20% to 30%--but to a large degree this is race as a proxy for income.

High school GPA is the strongest predictor--55% to 60%, but the school level SES (i.e. the overall socio-economic status of a particular high school) has a 30% to 40% effect on GPA.

But: Income alone explains 20% to 25% of SAT scores. Both parents having completed graduate school adds, on average, a 300-pt increase in SAT scores.

Bottom line: when you measure SAT scores, you are also measuring many other things. So if you reduce everything to SATs and GPAs you are CREATING a structure which will tend to select the most [u]advantaged[/u] bright students, which will simply perpetuate the disparity in advantage over time. A few of the disadvantage people will make it into that elite group, but their numbers will be far less that that of those who were elite to begin with.

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My understanding is that schools look at scores relative to other kids of similar socioeconomic background.  They aren't comparing elite to disadvantaged straight against each other, but looking for outliers vis-a-vis their peers.
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Also, it's true that the affluent will tend, as a gross generality, to make better grades and scores.  The problem is gaps in advantage need to overcome before college.  A college can't often make up for 15 prior years of a student being way under-served.[/quote]

And it doesn't help for a college to admit an under-served student if s/he can't demonstrate objectively about having the capacity to handle the work.  In so doing, a college is denying that seat to someone who can handle it.  Thus, and as you point out, the problem is gaps in advantage needed to overcome before college.  School choice and charter schools could help with this.[/quote]

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