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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]+1 Colleges and universities need to go back to requiring SAT/ACT and using them in admissions decisions along with grades and course rigor. Everyone needs to submit all attempts.

And if the new class of comp sci students ends up being all Asian and male, so be it. It should be crystal clear about who gets in and why. Tests are not secret. There are plenty of practice tests out there and online tools.

As a female, it should be no secret why I didn't get in. Schools should make applicant data public (no names, of course). If there are too many applicants with similar scores, courses and grades, then use a lottery.

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Believe it or not, there are other majors besides math, physics, and comp sci that aren’t easily quantified and ranked.[/quote]

I asked AI to quantify student characteristics as predictors of college success.

SAT scores by themselves contribute 25% to 35% of college success in the first year. So they are a powerful factor but not the whole story.

Income predicts 15% to 25%.

Parents having both completed college is 20% to 30%.

Gender: 5% to 15%

Race: 20% to 30%--but to a large degree this is race as a proxy for income.

High school GPA is the strongest predictor--55% to 60%, but the school level SES (i.e. the overall socio-economic status of a particular high school) has a 30% to 40% effect on GPA.

But: Income alone explains 20% to 25% of SAT scores. Both parents having completed graduate school adds, on average, a 300-pt increase in SAT scores.

Bottom line: when you measure SAT scores, you are also measuring many other things. So if you reduce everything to SATs and GPAs you are CREATING a structure which will tend to select the most [u]advantaged[/u] bright students, which will simply perpetuate the disparity in advantage over time. A few of the disadvantage people will make it into that elite group, but their numbers will be far less that that of those who were elite to begin with.

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I don't know I came from a rural area, mediocre school, parents well below poverty line doing drugs.  I worked throughout the school year.  I aced the math portion of the ACT.  Just studied a couple of practice exams.  I don't know what your problem is.  If it weren't for Grades and GPA.  I wouldn't have even been able to go to school.  Here it is you're whining about not even being able to get into school because your grades and GPA are so bad.

I categorically reject your assertion, that using GPA and SAT scores is an advantage for the well off.  You think they would have given me a full ride if I had written an essay.  Yah right.  You don't think counselors would write an essay for their students.

BTW your percentages don't add up.

You want to be like China have a portfolio system.  Do you know how corrupt that is?  They steal people's portfolio all the time there.

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