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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To answer OP's question - I'm not sure. For example, did Virginia Tech roll back their diversity initiative strategic goal?

"Reaching 40 percent URM/USS in 2022 was a key strategic goal proposed by Virginia Tech President Tim Sands in his 2017 State of the University Address and included in the university’s 2019 strategic plan, "The Virginia Tech Difference: Advancing Beyond Boundaries."

How would we know if less qualified students were accepted over more qualified applicants without some kind of audit?

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This is a question to OPs question:  How would most people know unless there are audits or decisions are made out in the open?[/quote]

Who determines a universal definition of "qualified"?  [/quote]

What do you think the qualifications for physics, comp sci or engineering schools for example? One would have to be pretty good at math and science, don't you think? How would you measure that?[/quote]

Well, as a math major who has always scored 99th percentile on anything math, I can tell you that the question is a lot more complex than you want to pretend.  Even within math and science, there are a range of different types of intelligences, and people can have varying views about which abilities are more 'valuable' or relevant than others, and whether the key relevance is to the workplace or academia.  And that's before you even assess people on soft skills and traits like persistence or whatever.  Different programs want different things.[/quote]

This.  There’s a reason most colleges ask for personal essays and recommendations in addition to transcripts and SAT/ACTs.  Often, students stand out in ways that aren’t reflected in their test scores or grades.  There might be a glut of valedictorians with perfect 4.0s and ECs, but the kid who grew up in the Alaskan wilderness catches their eye, or the inner city kid with dyslexia who overcame adversity at a young age and started their own business at 14.  Schools that recruit athletes will relax their academic standards for a good prospect.

Having a diverse student body from different backgrounds and cultures is a huge part of a well rounded education.[/quote]

Not really. The reality is that it’s a small percentage of the general population who have the ability to excel intellectually. IQ is a bell curve. You and Ms. Mathematician probably spend zero time around the lower half of the bell curve and hence your position is biased.

Stop pretending that everyone is equal and intelligence is irrelevant to academic, scientific, and intellectual achievements. [/quote]

That’s exactly why colleges look at intangibles.  If colleges only admitted 1-2 SDs above the bell curve, they wouldn’t be able to fill their classes.  Your response undermines itself.

And nobody said intelligence was irrelevant.  Stop pretending that people are saying things they didn’t say.[/quote]

Please be serious. The ability to succeed in advanced mathematics or physics is unrelated to whether a student grew up in the inner city or Alaska or NYC. People are tired of colleges prioritizing a lower qualified applicant from Alaska because she is from Alaska. [/quote]

Colleges value geographic diversity.  That’s reality.

That being said, at most colleges applicants have to first clear the “can this student hack it here” hurdle.  They aren’t going to automatically take a kid from Alaska just because they’re from Alaska.  Anybody who makes it past that first step is by definition considered to be qualified to attend that college.

Once they’ve cleared that hurdle, then geography might give them an edge over the dozens of candidates with similar test scores from the Bay Area.  But that isn’t any different than someone who can catch a ball or run fast getting a spot over someone with higher test scores.   SLACs can have classes that are 30-40% recruited athletes.  Odd how you never hear people complaining about the unfairness of athletes getting preferential admissions.[/quote]

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