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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances. [/quote]

They can’t force you to eat lunch “in the office.”  Time cards merely ask you to verify 40 hours of work. Period. As long as you eat lunch before 3:00.

Not sure where everyone comes up with all these extraneous supposed rules that are neither written nor enforceable.  [/quote]

If you look at the CBA, it says you can’t use your lunch to shorten your day or not take lunch one day to take a longer one another day.

So, if you are in the office from 9-5, there is no way you can properly record 8 hours of work.

https://www.secunion.org/article-7-work-schedules
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Well, first off, the agency has thrown the CBA out the window. They can’t pick and choose which provisions they like or don’t. Second, the CBA isn’t policy anyway (as we’ve seen with telework).

Third, I can work from 630 - 230. Then go to lunch (wherever I want). 8 hours of work done. Timecard is perfectly accurate. [/quote]

Wrong. See FLSA.

They’re corresponding badge swipes to time cards. You’re required to have an unpaid lunch in the office. Swiping for only 8 hours means you’re defrauding the government of 0.5 hours/day.

You do you, but seems like a sure fire way to be on the future RIF list. [/quote]

You’re just making stuff up. Nothing says that you can’t take your lunch outside the office. So you’re saying I can’t go to a nearby restaurant for lunch? Isn’t that Bowser’s whole rationale for loving RTO?? [/quote]

Sure you can. But you’re making stuff up if you think you can take “lunch” at 2:30 and pretend you worked 8 hours after being in the office from 6:30am (as though you didn’t eat). I suggest you reach out to OHR or OGC. Guarantee they’ll tell you it’s 8.5 hours in the office inclusive of unpaid lunch (wherever you want to take it), and you can’t use the unpaid lunch to shorten your work day by 30 min. [/quote]

Nobody’s pretending. I did work from 630-2:30. Why the hell does it matter when or where I eat lunch?? The government got 8 hrs of work from me, and I was paid for 8 hrs. [/quote]

You are LITERALLY saving your lunch (and breakfast?) to shorten your work day. Good luck to you! [/quote]

You literally must be pretty low on the totem pole to not get this.  If you have worked 8 hours in the office, you are NOT shortening your day.  There is NO requirement to be in the office for 8.5 hours.  There is a requirement to have 1/2 hour of unpaid lunch, which does NOT equate to being in the office for 8.5 hours.  I can't help you connect the dots--critical thinking skills start at a young age and if it's not developed then, it may not develop.  [/quote]

Well said. I suspect that several people on this thread are HR or OGC who realized they screwed up on the time cards policy and now realize that they really can’t enforce their silly 1/2 hour lunch thing, and now resort to “well, that’s we MEANT” arguments.  Sorry. If that’s what you meant, change the time card attestation. Otherwise, be quiet — you come off as desperate. [/quote]

Until you actually look up your agency’s written policy on this and report back, your viewpoint is meaningless. My agency (not SEC) is very clear that the 30 minute unpaid lunch cannot be taken at the end or beginning of the day, which in effect means you have to be in the office 8.5 hrs total. While it may not be time card fraud to violate the policy, it’s definitely a different violation of agency policy. [/quote]

Sec policy says nothing about beginning or end. It only says before 3. [/quote]

It clearly says you have to have an 8.5 hours schedule and it says you can’t use lunch to shorten the day.  It’s crystal clear no matter how many times you insist it isn’t, while refusing to provide any other explanation of what the ‘you can’t shorten the day’ provision means.

Your response that you aren’t shortening anything because you are still working 8 hours doesn’t work because you can’t have an 8 hour schedule, ie 9-5, 8-4, whatever would not approved as a schedule.  The schedule you in put has to have 8.5 hours and, with that requirement, you would be shortening your day leaving after 8.

But you know this and are just being obtuse.[/quote]

Odd, then, that somebody forgot to incorporate this supposed policy into the timecard.  [/quote]

There are innumerable agency policies not in the time card.  Doesn’t mean violating them can’t get you disciplined.[/quote]

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