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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We have an apartment over our garage in a desirable neighborhood and because of that we've housed 4 kids from the class of 2023 while they've searched for jobs over the last year (including my DS). The physics major landed a job first at a cybersecurity start-up paying $65k a year. The business major, a kid who had the best EQ of the 4, landed a job paying about $80k but it took way more time than he expected. The English major who never had an internship in college really struggled and ended up as a health tech for about $45k a year. The math major is still looking (he had a late start) but he has had good offers that he has turned down, unfortunately because now it is getting tougher to get another offer. Just listening to them, math or physics could be a good alternative to CS.  [/quote]
? both the math and physics majors had offers in CS. So, why not just major in CS?

FWIW, my kid is a dual major, math and CS, and DC has excellent verbal skills (debate team) and writing skills (IBPD).   Not graduated yet.

I do agree that graduates need both hard and soft skills, no matter your major.[/quote]

Many kids do excel at more than one thing. Pretending that STEM kids are unable to communicate is just an old trope with little merit.[/quote]

No, they're as rare as ever. Just read the posts around here--the STEM posters have tunnel vision and arrested world view.[/quote]

Most SWEs can't communicate with other people.  Ask them to go participate in activities like tennis or golf and they have no clues.  [/quote]

So true! My son is not a SWE, but is close, graduated with a data science degree. He said many of his peers cannot find jobs beucase they have NO social skills. He worked at a golf course and has no problems talking to pople and being engaging. He also joined a fraternity. Many of his peers were so focused on A's and hack a thons and crap like that they never learned how to interface with the world. Kids born to tiger parents who are clueless themselves.

My son got a job in finance and is not even doing data science, but he does know how numbers work (thanks to a very heavy math major) and knows how to talk to people. He also is a great golfer (thanks to spening much of college on the golf course!) and hes always asked to play by people in his industry that are many levels above him.[/quote]
Honestly, just sounds like those students don't fit with the finance, well-groomed, golfing type. One of the worst parts of the hiring process is trying to evaluate whether you'd get a beer with the applicant when it really should be A) Can this person kinda work well with people (they don't need to be a carpet for everyone to step on and should be able to bring their ideas to the table without being abrasive) and B) Are they the most capable for the role. I've had some tech interviews where the interviewer has just given up on the technical components to ask me more about my lifestory (I have an atypical background for CS), and it's so obvious the system is unfairly centered around people who barely know anything but can flub enough to pass by.[/quote]

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