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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I hear the math teachers are very frustrated with the math preparations of incoming students. Discussing changes to grading policies.[/quote]
Yeah the SOL scores really have taken a dramatic turn. Maybe skills-based grading could be an option? [/quote]

The new students are more naturally gifted than the 3rd tier peppers who were getting in under the old system. [b]They may be less prepared [/b]but seem to pick things up more quickly, so in the long run, they're actually doing much better.[/quote]

Less prepared in math and  science. That was expected! Farcical essay can't evaluate  preparedness in necessary math and science. 
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I've watched over 10,000 kids graduate from TJ in my lifetime, and I can tell you that the way they approach TJ once they're inside the building matters a hell of a lot more than how "prepared" they were when they got admitted. I've seen Alg1 kids who struggled mightily for their first year or two and turned out to be superstars when they left, and I've seen kids who entered in Calc BC and beyond flame out because they couldn't handle actually being challenged academically for the first time in their lives.

Their grades in their curricular classes tell me everything I need to know about whether or not they're "prepared enough". Testing isn't helpful beyond that point. Give me 1000 words that lend me insight into your approach and how you've handled adversity and I'll tell you whether or not you'll be a success at TJ and whether or not you'll add value to the institution.[/quote]

I have watched 10,000 + 1 kids enter TJ, and unprepared students who get admitted struggle a lot, and mostly drop out mostly during freshman.  Other who reluctantly hang in there, struggle with grades and do not go past the bare minimum Calc AB, even with a ton of remedial help.   [b]Whereas prepared students, most of them who attend enrichment centers outside school and participate in an array of math and science competitions in middle school, have a wholesome experience at TJ[/b] taking advanced math and science classes, and participating in clubs, sports, and having fun.  [/quote]

DP.  That's depressing.  And if that is changed by the new admissions requirements, then lower SOL PA scores are fine.

- [b]parent of an 8th grader who is considering TJ[/b][/quote]

How many identities will you assume? [/quote]

Only myself.  As a resident of Northern Virginia, I'm interested in TJ.  And as an 8th grader, my DC is interested in TJ.  They are interested in science and math but do not do outside enrichment centers or math or science competitions.  If that's really a prerequisite for success and enjoyment at TJ, then it's not the right place for them.  Since the majority of posts on this thread are trolls, I don't put a lot of weight on any of the posts.  But I would like to hear perspectives from experienced non-troll posters.  [/quote]

Yes, the majority of people on these threads are trolls. I'll try to answer your question (with full awareness that someone on this board will attempt to discredit or tear apart my position).

My daughter is a freshman at TJ. She did not do outside enrichment in STEM or math/science competitions; the later were not options at our base school nor did we seek them out. She has interests outside of math and science and we have always encouraged that. She is finding the TJ workload to be substantial but she also loves it. She routinely says how happy she is to be in an environment where (almost) everyone cares about school, learning, and doing well. We do not have expectations for her to get straight As, especially first quarter. The administration also emphasizes that most freshman get "curvy grades" and they expect it and then work from there to improve.

All that said, it does seem to be a bit of a pressure cooker. I've been told that it's gotten "much better" than years past but it is a HUGE jump from middle school workloads. If they are interested in applying, I would encourage them to do so. Since all the kids there are smart, I [i]think[/i] being successful at TJ is more about finding ways to manage the workload and high expectations vs. having previous experience with STEM. A kid needs to be willing and motivated to learn.

When a neighborhood parent asked her if everyone at TJ is "crazy smart" she said that everyone is smart but that doesn't mean everyone is doing well. She said you might have a freshman kid killing it in AP Calculus (or some other accelerated math class) but they are failing English or Bio. Her point was most people aren't "naturally smart" in all areas and its more about finding ways to learn the content. I thought that was rather insightful for a 14 year old. I certainly wasn't aware of that as a freshman in HS.

Good luck!
-A non troll[/quote]
Make up lies about having a freshman daughter at TJ just to write a bunch of made up nonsense about TJ.

Unprepared kids who enter TJ struggle from day one, and quit in freshman year. It is ridiculous to assume TJ has bunch of remedial teachers waiting there to teach middle school math, english and science, when that learning should have taken place before entering TJ.  [/quote]

Damn, people are ready to spit venom from behind a computer screen! To the person who posed a reasonable question about extra STEM/science content being foundational to success: everything I wrote is true based on my daughter's experience thus far. I don't think it's too hard to imagine that with ~500 kids per class, there are a wide range of experiences.  But this has been ours with 2+ months of experience at TJ. I'm truly perplexed about why someone thinks I would make this up. If it makes you feel better to think I'm lying, good for you. Have a wonderful day!

-Still a non-troll[/quote]

DP. Don’t think you’re a troll but your account makes me question the current purpose for or continued need for TJ. It also seems unlikely that freshmen who might be failing English or Biology are going to be around long.

It’s nice your DD is enjoying the school, but TJ parents always tout how special or unique the school is, and increasingly it just seems to be a regular high school that gets extra funding and attention for no compelling reason. 
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Too bad we are ruining the crown jewel of FCPS.[/quote]

Oh I agree [b]letting in those kids[/b] from the less affluent schools who can't afford prep classes is ruining everything![/quote]
Same nonsense over and over😴 
Unprepared kids that are "let in" quit by the end of freshman year.[/quote]

I get that it's the narrative you're pushing but the reality is quite different. Most of the top kids who got in from schools other than the wealthiest feeders are thriving despite having not attended cuire for 10 years.[/quote]
Curie! Your obsession with Curie! 
Four years since the farcical essay based admission, but Curie continues to live inside your head?  Considered treatment?[/quote]

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