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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For those who are confused.

The current message is “Eating healthy food and exercising make you healthy and leads to weight loss. If it doesn’t, you’re doing it wrong and need to try harder.”

The better message, and what we’re thankfully moving toward, is “Eating healthy food and exercising are great for your mobility and mental, cardiovascular and metabolic health. Keep doing it, even if it doesn’t lead to weight loss or maintenance. We have other tools that are better for weight loss if that’s what your goal is.”

[b]No one is saying “Eating healthy food and exercising is stupid and pointless since it doesn’t help you lose weight long term. Try Ozempic instead.”[/quote][/b]

But this is the message people will hear, and want to hear.[/quote]

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You'll agree no one is saying it, but now people are hearing it anyway.

If they are, then there's nothing we can do about it, so I don't know what your point is.[/quote]

1. The first (current) message is accurate for many people.  They do need to try harder, sorry.

2. The second message is half right, but for many people, weight loss is the main goal of eating healthy and exercising.  The second half of the message, that "other tools are better" is what is being debated.  I think healthy food and exercise are still far better than drugs if they work for you.  The problem is that many people, once they hear there is a miracle drug, will abandon their healthy food and exercise efforts.

Is there "nothing we can do about it?"  We can promote the drugs as a last resort when diet and exercise fails.  Not as a solution for chubby middle schoolers, I mean really![/quote]

[b]Diet and exercise has failed though[/b]. It has failed unequivocally and disastrously. [/quote]

Diet and exercise hasn't failed. You (Americans) have failed to put reasonable amounts of healthy foods in your mouth. And you have failed to exercise on a regular basis. You are doing things that are adversely affecting your health.

Like numerous people have already said, it's not some external stimuli or change in your DNA that is causing obesity. Stop being a victim and get out there and get it![/quote]

95% of people who lose weight by dieting gain it back. Do you think the problem is just that they haven’t read your post yet? Or could it be that telling people to “go out and get it” is not actually an effective way to help them lose weight[/quote]

Where are you getting 95%?  I don't believe that.[/quote]

I pulled it out of my ass.[/quote]

The oft-cited number is 90%. Eg: https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/health-management/weighing-facts-tough-truth-about-weight-loss

But I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s higher over a person’s whole lifetime [/quote]

Nobody said it's going to be easy. You need to focus less on fad diets and more on committing to permanent changes in your diet and exercise routine. [/quote]

I don’t “need” to do anything. I’m a healthy weight. I can’t stand the cognitive dissonance of people who say obesity is a crisis but also think we shouldn’t do anything to address it except tell people to eat better and exercise, as if that hasn’t been tried for decades and foaled miserably [/quote]

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