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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?[/quote]
?  Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well,  hence the "model minority".  Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.[/quote]

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.[/quote]

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

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A white right-wing, Trumpist[/quote] how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA  [/quote]

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.[/quote]

There is no proof they are more qualified. I HS I worked in town library. I say Asians and Nerdy Jewish kids lived at library. This is preinternet. They spend 20-30 hours a week in cliques at tables plotting and scheming with each other on homework and projects. Figuring how to get easier teachers. SAT tutors and college essay writers. Pretty much all 4 years HS was focused on application

My low GPA in HS and can level ater in life I met the Valedictorian of my college and one of highest GPA in my HS and both commented I was smarter than them.  Mainly cause in college I worked 24 hours a week, took 18 credits, had a girl friend, was in a frat, I also really liked going out. I would go to bars and clubs several nights a week. I study on average zero per day. But during class or even break at work or parking lot do it.

So it is not really apples to apples. Me taking a single 100 percent cumulative final after missing 80 perc⁴ent of class and studying night before and getting a C is pretty amazing.

My most amazing student not me was a kid at Stonybrook with me. He left for two months to follow Dead on the road and came back week before finals and got a 4.0. He is now a doctor.

I think legalized cheating is still cheating. [/quote]

Im all in favor of including IQ test(smartness)
We do that for AAP and also  colleges  in some other countries actually do that.  I wonder who this would benefit 🤔 [/quote]
That would benefit those who enrich and prep as aspects of those tests can be prepared for, and students with enrichment do better on standardized tests across the board. My kids participate in an NIH study that uses IQ testing, and the head of the study confirmed that they don't measure intelligence.[/quote]

Of course somebody you know confirmed it while it's used in numerous counties [/quote]

Why countries use actual IQ testing?  It does not scale.  Those tests are done 1:1 for several hours, usually over a few days.  I’d be curious what countries do this and who they are testing (just the rich kids?)[/quote]

You can nitpick that NNAT/CogAt are not IQ test, but those are used to identify gifted/smart kids.

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But those are also preppable.  If you disagree, go to the AAP thread and look at all of the discussion on prepping for them.[/quote]

You can prep a smart kid into doing somewhat better. You can’t prep an average or stupid kid into getting a gifted score. True also with PSAT and SAT.

(test prep tutor)[/quote]

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