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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No. Screw off. We don’t care about your pet political causes and the gaping hole in your personality that causes you to promote this kind of stuff. Don’t care about about the claims and fairy wishes of indigenous groups or “land-back advocates”. We tolerate some of this crap in the name of good manners and being charitable. But there’s a limit.

It is a glorious day of national Thanksgiving. I am very grateful that European religious settlers founded the greatest civilization on earth, committed by its founding documents to ideals that [b]were never, not once, within the founding spirit of any prior society. 
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And not for nothing, but if the North American indigenous peoples had had the ability to cross the Atlantic and the firepower, once there, to seize land and conform the local peoples to their customs, they would have done so without question. Many were very warlike and inclined toward expansion and capture on the continent. (As were most cultures of the era.) We just happen to be much more advanced and way better at war.

To the victor belongs the spoils. [/quote]

Maybe tangential but what are these "ideals" that you say were never within the "founding spirit" of any society?

I don't think we need to ban Thanksgiving, but maybe we do need to do a WAY better job at education....[/quote]

Can you name a single society with those ideals at it's core? [/quote]

I asked you to name the ideals you are talking about.  You didn't.[/quote]

I'm also confused if these are the ideals of the Puritan religious separatists in Massachusetts Bay or the speculative capitalists who settled the Jamestown Colony? Or are we talking about the ideals of the Founding Fathers, who voted to codify the enslavement of human beings into the nation's founding documents (which was, I have to admit, a first among nations)? [/quote]

The whole fact that you had the opportunity to attend some liberal university (or to read the work of Howard Zinn) to develop your ridiculous ideas is due to the willingness of those Founding Fathers to risk their lives to establish a nation based on Enlightenment ideals.  You would not have freedom of speech, freedom to stand at Plymouth Rock and protest, or anything that feeds your liberty to be annoying, without them.  It is so childlike for people alive now to project their values on people who lived centuries before, if the discussions that led to your values had not begun then.

And frankly, I also celebrate the willingness to leave home, utopian ideals, Mayflower Compact, freedom of religion, and the establishment of free-market capitalism in America (involved in the above settlements) that give you the freedom and prosperity to waste your time on Marxist theory. [/quote]

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