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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Berkeley and Michigan were  top ten before USNWR changed their formula back in the 80’s [/quote]

No one believes those schools are truly top 10, however.[/quote]

Many outside of dcum bubble do. [/quote]

Literally no one outside the DCUM bubble believes that Berkeley or Michigan are top 10. Literally no one. Not even the people who attend those schools.[/quote]

USNews does for Berkeley:

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings

1. Harvard 
2. MIT 
3. Stanford 
4. Berkeley 
5. Oxford 
6. Columbia 
7. Univ of Washington 
8. Cambridge 
9. Caltech 
10.Johns Hopkins 
11.UC San Francisco 
12.Yale 
13.UPenn 
14.UCLA 
15.Chicago 
16.Princeton 
17.University College London 
18.University of Toronto 
19.Michigan 
20.Imperial College London [/quote]

Is this a ranking for foreigners lol
USN&WR also thinks Berkeley and UMich are not even T20 for US audiences for undergraduate education [/quote]

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