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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote] Have you been to sporting events at Yale or MIT? Obviously not. Especially at Yale, sports bring the normal people out and together. Yes, the nerds probably avoid it, but the smart, mainstream kids make it part of their experience. I know this firsthand, not from assumptions.

we know this firsthand as well, and there is lackluster attendance at best. don't try to make it something it's not. It might make you feel better to label people as 'nerds' and outside of the 'mainstream' but you're just showing your bias.[/quote]

My kids were athletes at Yale and other Ivy League schools.  Your reports of “lackluster attendance” may be true for some sports at some schools, but that’s definitely not what I witnessed.  Students from all over the league go to the H-Y football game.  Brown was PACKED last weekend for men’s lacrosse game, with a huge student section.  When Harvard women played Princeton in soccer this year, there were hundreds of people in the stands.  Princeton had hundreds there  for the last home women’s lax game a few weeks ago.  I have seen Ivy cross country meets where kids drove from Dartmouth/Penn/Yale to NYC to cheer on friends.

Sports are most certainly a part of campus life, and recruited athletes underpin that.  Many of the recruited athletes I know had top grades and test scores in high school (NMSF, valedictorian, etc.), as well as clubs and the huge number of hours spent over years on their sport.  These kids are legitimate applicants to these schools who would had a shot even without their sport.  Add that in, and tgey make decisions easy for the admissions office.[/quote]

recruited athletes are a choice. if they disappeared tomorrow from Yale, no one would care other than the athletes. the miniscule percentage of students attending games would move on to something else. sports plays almost no role in the campus culture other than the Harvard football game which is just an excuse for daytime drinking.

as to the rest of your post, your kids benefitted from the ultimate hook. why can't you just admit that? the data from Harvard is unambiguous- 85-90% of recruited athletes would not have been admitted to Harvard based on their academic rating.

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Can you think of a more popular event at Harvard or Yale than the Game? [/quote]

Harvard and Princeton do trade on, fully exploit that they are who they are to get Athletic talent, but then it drops off. The other 6 Ivy league schools are more heavily tipped to just exceptionally bright kids who happen to be very good at their sport

For example, at DC's school, just about ALL of his teammates are Engineering majors. That is NOT the case at Princeton- decidedly not the case- but guess who clobbers at Ivy Championships: Princeton[/quote]

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