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Well I think the SC is taking the question of whether they can do the admissions policy for this year while they sort out the whole thing through the courts, right?[/quote]

Wednesday is April 13.  It's way too late already, despite what the dissent said.  Maybe they are on to next year's incoming class?[/quote]

They can do a lottery very quickly. If they really want to tweak coalition for TJ, they can automatically enter every rising freshman in the county and create a waitlist for those who decline. [/quote]

Keep dreaming.[/quote]

my dream would be for them to just close the school [/quote]

That's obvious, hon.

Sorry.[/quote]

It gets closer every day. A school that becomes a right wing darling reliant on a very left wing school board is not long for this world. [/quote]

Makes me sad, but here we are. [/quote]

DP, but I would rather have them close the school than see FCPS spend so much time, money, and attention litigation over the composition of a single high school.

It's obscene that FCPS has over 200 schools and one school commands so much focus because the School Board was so clumsy and inartful when it decided to change the admissions process.  Enough already. [/quote]

They could have chosen to done things differently. Instead of implementing racist policies, they could have responded with more outreach and educational resources at schools that serve URM student population. Instead by went full racist, completely unbashful about their intentions, unreceptive to feedback and criticism from parents. They chose to make this into a big issue because they wanted the glory of remaking what is the top high school in the entire United States. They wanted that badge of honor on their progressive resume, a crowning achievement of performative intersectional justice for diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's no surprise then that they dedicated their resources towards this cause. The level of effort they have expended to defend their racist practice shows you just how much they have invested in this endeavor.

No one asked the school board to be racist. They just couldn't help it.  They decided to do this themselves, with no one else to blame. [/quote]

I agree with you but it does reach a point where it's time to just put an end to the bickering.  Let TJ return to use as a neighborhood school or have it serve as a full-time Academy program offering specialized, challenging courses available only at TJ to students who attend their base schools for their other classes, but both sides need to realize how they are degrading FCPS by allowing so much attention to be focused on a single school to the exclusion of other schools.

The Coalition for TJ and the TJAAG are both full of preening narcissists equally wedded to their own visions of what TJ should be (and completely disinterested in the other 97% of FCPS kids).  And this ridiculous, utterly incompetent School Board that set the stage for this to happen needs to be sent packing next year - every last one of them. [/quote]

I don't see why that's the preferable outcome versus having TJ continue to be a school where applicants are evaluated based on merit against standardized assessments. Sure there are preening narcissists, but just because a preening narcissist likes the taste of a banana, doesn't change the fact that bananas are delicious and healthy. There is a place in our society for merit-based identification and advancement of young scholars. There may be other goals that we as a society want to achieve and we can have those as additional programs. Let TJ remain doing what it has done so well as to earn the top rank among the nation's high schools.

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Please outline the path for that to happen expeditiously and in a manner that, you know, actually allows the idiots on this School Board to pay some attention to the other 97% of kids in FCPS. [/quote]

It's not my job to outline that path. I'm merely defending that TJ should stay on its prior non-racist path that caused it to become the #1 HS in the US. That the other problems are difficult is no excuse to implement racist policies for TJ. Any time the board spent fiddling with TJ could have been used for the other 97% of FCPS kids instead. [/quote]

But your “mere defense” leaves the earlier point - which is that TJ admissions has become an unproductive waste of FCPS time, energy, and resources that harms other school communities - wholly unaddressed.  It’s apparently time to wind it down or change TJ to a less controversial Academy program. [/quote]

IMO, a less wasteful, but still selective method would be to take X% of the highest GPA from each school (because opportunities and options vary by school), and choose from among them by lottery.  If they want to be a bit more selective, have like 3 letters of support submitted by 2 STEM/1 non-STEM teacher, and use that as guidance.  Parents/kids can opt out if they don't want to be submitted for consideration.[/quote]

I still don't see the justification as to why the original TJ policy needed to be changed. The underrepresentation of blacks/Latinos is caused by a resource gap and not a learning ability gap, so the solution is to increase resources rather than use some method to lower the entrance standard. We combat covid by delivering shots in arms, not by cherry picking who we test to get the desired infection rate. [/quote]

[b]That's been tried for decades with no results,[/b] but people who support that status quo love it because it pushes any changes down the road a few more years. [/quote]

Failure at something is no excuse to engage in racist behaviors.[/quote]

Of course, we just need a new plan that will take years to judge, and then a new plan after that, and maybe a few more. In the meantime, TJ can remain unsullied by poor kids [/quote]

Now you are just giving up all pretense of being rational and logical, and appealing to emotion instead. Go ahead and wallow in your sorrow. Sad face. [/quote]

When people are screaming that a school going form 75% to 55% of a population that comprises 20% of students is racist, logic is out the window. [/quote]

You don’t get it, do you?  Ends don’t justify the means - not in modern societies.

The process to get from 75% to 55% has to be above reproach.  The FCPS process is not.  And needs to be done away even if it yields a class that exactly represents the demographics of the county.  If you don’t understand that and are stuck on the outcome then you don’t understand the issue that is being litigated.  [/quote]

Every day that goes by without the current admissions process being affirmed is one step closer to the Class of 2026 being selected by lottery. It would be wise for FCPS to make it known that this is their intent if the Supreme Court vacates the Fourth Circuit stay.[/quote]

Any further action by the current board *except* for restoring original TJ process will be tainted with racist intent and challenged in court. [/quote]

It does seem a little ironic that thus coalition for TJ demanding that the majority of the TJ spots go to one group in the name of fairness.[/quote]

That's not what they are arguing for at all. You are just making stuff up. The coalition is asking for a non-racist admissions policy and let the student demographics be what they are as a result of natural competition. [/quote]

"Natural competition" that is significantly aided - unquestionably - by parents leveraging their resources as heavily as possible to put their thumbs on the scales.[/quote]

Why is it a problem for parents to provide resources to their children? Isn't this the entire goal of being a parent, to provide resources to children? Why should children with resources be penalized? [/quote]

They can provide all of the resources in the world to their children. They just shouldn't expect increased access to taxpayer-funded educational opportunities as a consequence.[/quote]

I am not sure how you are defining "increased access" in your mind, but if the access is based on open competition of merit, then all is fair. [/quote]

"Increased access" would involve supporting an admissions process that resulted in less than one percent of admitted students coming from economically disadvantaged backgrounds....

.... against the backdrop of a ubiquitous nine-figure TJ prep complex that costs thousands of dollars for entry and claims overwhelmingly effective results.[/quote]

That's circular logic. You are criticizing an application process for providing "increased access" to Asians and using the result of the process as the proof of so-called increased access. You, too, would have only been accepted into TJ based on "experience factors". [/quote]

Nope. My point is not about the previous process providing increased access to Asians. It's about the previous process providing increased access to families that had the resources and motivation to mold their children's entire childhood around the TJ admissions process.

There isn't anything circular about my logic. The application fee was a problem. The exam that worked well for a year until the prep companies caught up to it was a problem. And the results were in the numbers.[/quote]

On what objective and legally defensible basis you make the argument “ It's about the previous process providing increased access to families that had the resources and motivation to mold their children's entire childhood around the TJ admissions process.”. You would never make tag sweeping statement on hearsay, would you? And we dongg TJ stereotype, do we? [/quote]

Not pp, but the class data in prior definitely showed that family resources were a prerequisite for admission to TJ.[/quote]

Did the docs conclude that parents “molded children’s entire childhood around the TJ process”[/quote]

Not knowing that this is a thing that happens betrays a complete lack of familiarity with the dynamics of high-level education in Northern Virginia.[/quote]

No it doesn’t.  [b]It respects the efforts of the thousands that have gone through the corridors of TJ through hard work.  Trivializing the sacrifices of others[/b] to support your narrative is sad and sickening.  There are many who have not played fair but there are many more who have done the right thing.  Putting them all in one bucket is saying “all blacks are …..” or “ all whites are…..” Fill in the blanks and see how it feels. [/quote]

It's a high school not a service adademy. [/quote]

Exactly - it is a high school that you work hard to get in (often by way of sacrificing other pursuits).  And many of different races and social class have done that over the years.  Calling all of them cheats does not sit well with most hard working people.  [/quote]

Kids who are 10, 11, 12 years old shouldn't have to sacrifice other pursuits. That's far too young an age to be streamlining their career prospects. Not really open for disagreement on this one.[/quote]

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