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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sincere question from a vaxxed Trump hater:  what are you all getting out of this string of posts about people dying?

Is it glee?  Is it gloating?  What is it helping?

Maybe if there was a sense of hope that maybe some high profile deaths will finally change people's minds I would get it.

But the vibe I get from this thread is inhumane.[/quote]

It’s poetic justice - for the lies, the gaslighting, the antisocial ideology of conservatives.

Shame is a powerful tool for nudging societal outcomes. [/quote]

But the thing is, the people who are dying are the ones who believed the lies and were gaslit.  Who do you think the real perpetrator is? Who do you think is feeling “shame” from these posts and therefore being motivated to change their ideology?  I AM a liberal and I certainly hope this thread is not a good representation of who we are…[/quote]
Do you actually know any people who have gone down the maga wormhole? I do, many. Some of them were good people, years ago. They have [i]not[/i] been gaslit, they have chosen hate, blame, to put their feelings above everyone else’s. They have made this decision consciously, over and over and over. They have felt a soothing surge of adrenaline - and yes, to get that little boost does soothe people after a time, like a drug - when they’ve listened to their favorite talking head mock a woman or a minority or Chelsea Clinton or whoever.

Do not deny them agency. It’s not like their friends and family haven’t tried to put evidence, reality, the truth in front of them, and they have smacked it down. I don’t know if this story is accurate; she says to DM her for proof. If true, this is the endpoint of choosing to consume propaganda. https://www.reddit.com/user/throwaway096283/ Do not waste your time defending people who have made their own decisions; they are putting every American back in harm’s way, but especially our children and those who are unable to get the shot. [/quote]

Couple things:

1. What you describe is certainly true [i]of some people[/i].  It is not true of all people who support Trump or are choosing not to get vaxxed.  (And BTW, I do not understand why these two things are collapsed into one).  Many of these people live deep in a environment and media bubble, and were raised there.  The focus should be on breaking through that bubble, and it isn't going to happen with hate.

2.  I am not denying them agency, I am recognizing that their circumstances (ranging from their geographic area to their intelligence level) are different.

3. Even if absolutely everything you say is true about everyone of them, a thread gloating about their deaths is barbaric.[/quote]
Again. Do you know any of these people personally. I do. You are denying them agency for their decisions. It’s not like the internet doesn’t exist, it’s not like they can’t access different tv channels. It’s not as if they can’t travel at least once in a while. It’s not 1840 on the prairie and all they can get is a yellow journalism rag.

They make the decision to keep hitting the propaganda pipe because it feels good. They do that. They choose to mock and denigrate people from the liberal side of the aisle. [/quote]

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