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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Good lord this thread is depressing. Lots of excuses being made for appalling behavior by police. Unless the attorneys are literally lying about statements made on video by police (in which case they will be sanctioned), there are no valid excuses.[/quote]

And your post exemplifies why it is reasonable to not jump to conclusions.  The lawyers could be lying and it isn't unheard of to see lawyers sanctioned for that.  It is also quite possible -- probably more likely than them outright lying -- that they are interpreting facts in the light most favorable to their client.  That doesn't mean that those same facts (and the same video) could be reasonably interpreted differently by others.  It is not at all uncommon for videos (and audio in video) to be ambiguous (because of what is and is not shown, and the quality of audio and video) and open to various interpretations.

I don't understand why you and others are so offended that we should wait until the evidence comes out, or at least a summary of the evidence is presented by someone objective, and not jump to absolute conclusions of who is right or wrong based on nothing but the description of events by one parties lawyer.

In any other context, would you be so willing to assume the guilt of the accused?  I doubt you would generally be willing to assume the guilt of someone accused by the police merely on account of the accusation.  You should completely change your worldview and your admiral belief in innocence until proven guilty and the possibility of biased reporting because the accused here is a cop.[/quote]

In no universe is it okay to scream in a 5 year old's face, not if you are a parent but certainly not if you are a police officer in a county that constantly talks about all their deescalation training. That is what the complaint alleges a police officer did. So either the lawyer is lying and will get sanctioned, or the police's conduct was horrific. There is no alternative reasonable interpretation that does not amount to the lawyers lying about what is on the tape. They either yelled in his face, or they didn't.
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I don't agree that yelling is necessarily as black and white as you say.  What was said and the context is important.  Also, yelling at the kid is far from the most egregious conduct alleged in the complaint.  If the only thing the cop did was (allegedly) yell, this would not be a huge deal, even if you are right that yelling would have been poor form and not in keeping with best deescalation practices.

But, even accepting everything you said, you are still wrong that it is black and white and either the cops were wrong or the lawyer is "lying" and should be sanctioned.  The audio on the tape my not be great.  The lawyer may reasonably allege that the cop was yelling while someone else, perhaps a lawyer hired to defend the cop, would argue that he was not what happened based on the same audio.  There might be plenty of gray that would allow the lawyer to allege what he did in a non-sanctionable manner and yet have others who viewed the tape disagree.

Finally, the fact that you admit that it is possible (maybe not likely, but possible) that the lawyer is simply making up facts would be reason enough not to jump to conclusions based on what is publicly known at this point.[/quote]

I mean a lot of people on this thread are jumping to conclusions that the five year old child is at fault. Is that okay with you?[/quote]

So two wrongs make a right?[/quote]

NP.

You are irredeemable.

Toddler steals cookie, dad beats him with a belt

Teen gets a bad grade, parents kick him out of the house

Man sells loose cigarettes, police kill him

[b]Both[/b] parties did something wrong, real important to focus on the wrongness on [b]both[/b] sides, right? An important use of our time here.

I am disgusted.[/quote]

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