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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Anonymous wrote:
Either someone started everything from nothing (theists)

Or nothing started everything from nothing (atheists).

Not quite. Once again because it looks like you missed it:

The theist's position is that "Nothing started something from nothing (which is essentially the atheist's position), then that Someone started everything from nothing (theists)."

Atheists win by Occam's Razor. At least if theists want to keep the fig-leaf of rationality. Probably wiser to admit "it makes no sense, but it's what I believe" which is what others have said.

I'm not PP, but I think I missed it, too. Atheists think no one started everything, where as theists think someone started everything, no?

No, theists think that no one started everything as well: there was nothing, then there was God, then there was everything. Atheists think there was nothing, then there was a singularity, then there was everything.

Calling the singularity "God" gets us no closer to understanding. Actually further, since there's the possibility physics will uncover the provenance of the singularity; theists want to shut down the operation. [/quote]

Ok, got it this time.  Thanks.

Not sure what you mean by singularity, though.  Why can't the singularity be God?  One could argue that physics theories and laws are just a human effort to describe the world around them.  The same way people use religion.  Could be that both serve the exact same purpose for the human race.  [/quote]

No, absolutely.  Let's call the singularity "God".  But that's just a matter of semantics.  We still don't get the super-human powers (omniscience, omnipotence, etc...)  I think you're right about the second bit, though.  Far be it for me to try to take God away from the theists.  Just answering the topic:  we don't generally believe in god because it's irrational to do so.  That's the "faith" bit.  [/quote]

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