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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Does anyone even care about any of the schools ranked outside the Top 25?[/quote]

Yes.  And is there a sudden invisible cutoff between 25 and 26?  [/quote]

I really think a good consistent list of top schools is to look at is how College Confidential organizes it.  There are the ivies in one category, top universities in another, and then top liberal arts colleges. This is consistent and is not ranked.

Ivies:
Brown
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Harvard
Penn
Princeton
Yale

Top universities:
Berkekely
UCLA
Cal Tech
Carnegie Mellon
Chicago
Duke
Emory
Georgetown
Hopkins
MIT
Michigan
Chapel Hill
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Stanford
Tulane
UVA
Vanderbilt
Wash U

Top Liberal Arts Colleges:
Amherst
Barnard
Bates
Bowdoin
Bryn Mayr
Carleton
Claremont
Colby
Colgate
Davidson
Grinnell
Hamilton
Harvey Mudd
Haverford
Kenyon
Macalester
Middlebury
Mount Holyoke
Oberlin
Pomona
Reed
Smith
Swarthmore
Trinity
Vassar
Washington & Lee
Wellesley
Wesleyan
Whitman
Williams

All other schools in one separate batch alphabetically.

Simple, clean. [/quote]

Huh? The Ivies are not necessarily better than other top schools.[/quote]

Nobody is saying that. It is just a way to organize top schools. They are all top schools, just not ranked. Ivy League is what it is. [/quote]

It’s an athletic league. That’s what it is. Like the Big Ten. It was established in 1954, so the concept isn’t even that old.[/quote]

God I'm so tired of this canard.

I am not saying the Ivy League colleges are better than any other.  I am saying words and phrases have meanings, and when you say "Ivy League" to most people they don't think of sports the way they do when you say "Big Ten".  Stop saying this, you sound like a petulant or bitter person.  You're not persuading anyone.

And to repeat, this is not an endorsement of Ivy League schools, simply a rage against stupidity.[/quote]

If you don’t think they’re better than any other, then why use them as a group in a school ranking?[/quote]

News flash: I didn't.  I am not the  person responsible for what the term "Ivy League" means in common understanding.  I'm simply pointing out that it does and to imply otherwise is both petulant and stupid.[/quote]

So because it’s come to mean something that isn’t true, that means you have to use it that way too? Use it accurately.[/quote]

so are public Ivies just public schools that play football in the Ivy League?  [/quote]

Yes.  UVA and Berkeley both play in the IVY League, but Michigan actually won this year.[/quote]

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