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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Just so I'm clear- the outrage here is that Trump's son met with a Russian lawyer with "government ties" who claimed to have dirt on Hillary?[/quote]

Yes. Because that is a crime (aka colluding with a hostile foreign government to influence an election).  What, you think NBD?  It's a HUGE deal. It also stops the "months of investigation and no collusion shown" narrative of Trumpkins. Collusion not just shown-- admitted in writing. Game. Set. Match. [/quote]

PP you responded to and not a Trump supporter, but the ethics double standard here and what people will forgive their own candidate of choice for vs the opponent is quite rich.

A Russian lawyer with "ties" to the Russian gov soliciting Trump's son for a meeting with dirt on Hillary hardly seems like a smoking gun for the campaign [b]systemically [/b]colluding with the Russian gov.[/quote]

thanks for the qualifier, the bar keeps getting higher and higher, eh.

1. No evidence, its all smoke
2. Well no evidence of collusion, its just alleged obstruction of justice
3.  no HARD evidence. In public.
4. Its not hard evidence of SYSTEMATIC collusion.

Is circumstantial evidence of systematic collusion enough for you?  If this was the first time they had heard about Russia helping them, why didn't they react with more surprise? [/quote]

Happy to be corrected as I don't have any skin in this game, but it's evidence of a single private citizen with tenuous ties to the Russian gov soliciting a meeting and not circumstantial evidence of systemic collaboration. The desired narrative that the Russian gov won the election for Trump (otherwise it would've went to Hillary) has defined media coverage non-stop since November like it's Watergate 2.0. Facts and hard evidence should be defining the stories and narrative and right now it's just the opposite, a fishing expedition for page views. Comey hearings were a complete blowout (and if anything made the media look worse than before) and this is the closest they've gotten, so I won't froth at the mouth like some of you just yet.[/quote]

er. no.  First off, you should read more closely - its not one private citizen. It was three individuals - TRumpJR, Kushner and Manafort.  Manafort was at the time head of the Trump campaign.  Kushner was a leading figure in the campaign, and now has a WH office and an important role in the admin.   Both Manafort and Kushner were copied in on the emails, so knew that Russia was offering info.

Second, the fact that the email elicited no surprise, indicates to me that there was earlier contact, and that TRump Jr at least, was already aware of Russian activities on behalf of electing his father.

Third, this should be seen in context of Trumps long standing expressions of admiration for Putin, his changing the GOP position on Ukraine, his call for Russia to find HRC's emails, his repeated suggestions that the hacks were not done by Russia, etc.

Fourth, I find it hard to believe that over the months when the President was stating in no uncertain terms that no one is his campaign had contacts with Russia related to the campaign, that all three of these figures failed to inform him that that was incorrect.

Fifth, this puts the Comey firing in context. We have a better idea of what the obstruction of justice was designed to cover up.

Sixth, it does not matter if HRC would have won the election absent the Russian interference - that has no bearing on illegality, or on impeachment.  However I would suggest that given how close the election was (another thing DJT oddly regularly denies)  - a modest shift in votes in three states would have given her the electoral college - pretty much anything could have changed the results of the election. [/quote]

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