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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yawn.  White privileged folks prevail as usual w/ alumni connections and donations.[/quote]

Of course, if you happen to be white and have parents who never graduated from high school and Dad makes less than $15 per hour with a SAHM, no special interest group cares about you and  you are totally screwed....[/quote]

Totally wrong -- you're a highly coveted "first-gen" student who will get a free ride if you have the credentials to get into HYPS.  Doesn't mean it'll be easy -- if you fall in this category, you aren't likely to have had the educational opportunities and developed some of the academic skills that UMC kids have, and you may experience a real cultural schock, struggle financially (or cause your family to), and may not have the support you need at home.  But college admissions officers do care about you and you are not totally screwed.[/quote]

Actually the PP was correct.  The majority of poor high performing students are white and the vast majority don't go to top schools.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/education/scholarly-poor-often-overlook-better-colleges.html?hp

"Only 34 percent of high-achieving high school seniors in the bottom fourth of income distribution attended any one of the country’s 238 most selective colleges"

And

"Among high-achieving, low-income students, 6 percent were black, 8 percent Latino, 15 percent Asian-American and 69 percent white, the study found"

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Doesn't make the PP right -- PP's point was that poor whites were ignored/screwed by elite colleges.  They are not -- there's an active campaign by top schools to find/attract these kids.  But if you don't apply, you can't be admitted.  And if you are admitted but your family needs you to work PT and live at home, you may not be able to go.  As I said, it's not easy, but the opportunities are there.  And we do kids in this situation a real disservice to say no one cares about your education rather than pointing out these opportunities to them.
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[b]Well, if anyone cared about their education they would probably make the effort to tell them. If these kids were majority black or Hispanic there would be a lot more effort made to pair them with the schools where they belong.[/quote][/b]

Given your use of "them," I'm guessing you're not the parent of a high achieving low income white kid.  Just somebody looking for an anonymous forum where s/he can spout racist BS.[/quote] NP--state the reality that it is easier for urm's t get into selective schools that Asians and Caucasians isn't racist.  It is reality.  People can disagree with whether this practice is good or bad, but reality is reality and that isn't racist.[/quote]

Except that wasn't the claim.  The claim was low-income high-achieving white students are screwed and no one cares about them.  That's not true.  There are outreach programs and the top privates offer enough FA to make cost of attendance minimal.  It's racist (as well as factually inaccurate) to turn a discussion of that issue into "URMs get all the breaks in college admissions."  [/quote] except urm's will get in with lower stats than other races low income or not...[/quote]

Based on my personal experience, 1st generation college students get a preference regardless of race.  I understand the temptation of a two-fer - URM AND low income, but the fact is that white students [b]regardless of income or parents' education[/b] tend to score higher on standardized tests.  The other fact is that URMs, [b]regardless of income and their parents' education[/b] still score lower on standardized tests than white students.  See the Shaker Heights study in Chicago where black parents moved to the suburbs and better public schools but it did not accomplish what they wanted - to raise their kids' scores and grades.

Plenty of arguments can be made - the least accurate IMO is that AA's are just not that smart.

The other arguments that I find more plausible are

a) the kids are not treated in the district the same way the white kids are - they are discouraged by teachers and low expectations in general, including being treated like snowflakes for infractions
b) there is a tremendous amount of peer pressure both in Shaker Heights and back in the old 'hood not to become an oreo (black on the outside, white on the inside), and that is directly associated with high academic achievement
c) their parents and peers simply lack the vocabulary and knowledge to make the "a rising tide floats all boats" theory come to fruition
d) the fact that they are high profile minorities in their own schools somehow adversely impacts their academic performance and psychological well being

This is a known phenomena
Conservative have said that it proves that "just because you take the kid out of the ghetto, you cannot take the ghetto out of the kid" - actually not conservative, flat out racist

But in my experience, there is a huge difference between a kid rising to the top in a single minority population school district - all Latinos for example - and when you mix it up.

While it is true that the NAEP testing gap between minorities and white kids remained stable from 2003-2013, the gap between higher and lower income kids widened to the point where it was almost equal.

Make of it what you will, but recent studies at Ivy League institutions show that URMs who come from severely economically disadvantaged backgrounds get equally as good jobs as long as they excel (and much more of an effort is being made there) and graduate (ditto).

I have NEVER interviewed a white kid who is a member of the Questbridge program, FWIW

not offering answers as much as asking questions, but DCUM seems to be a very white UMC population anyway[/quote]

The scores on the standardized tests match scores in IQ tests.  It's really just as simple as that.[/quote]

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