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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Atheists seem to have no problem believing in their own self-awareness and consciousness but as consistent materialists an atheist's self-awareness and consciousness is a contradiction in terms.  You're all just programmed sacks of protoplasm exhibiting somewhat interesting behaviors from time to time.  Yet you have no way to prove that what you claim to be your self-awareness or consciousness isn't any less of an imaginary illusion than Santa Clause is.[/quote]

I experience self-awareness and consciousness.  I don't "believe" it.  I can't explain it either.  That's honest - not contradictory.[/quote]

That's not objectively verifiable.  It may not be honest either.  There's no way for someone to verify your claims.[/quote]

I never claimed it was objective. My experience is subjective, naturally.

I can tell you that I experience consciousness, but I can't claim it to be objectively true.

I may be batshit crazy and this is all in my head, or this could be the Matrix and I'm waiting for Keanu Reeves to save me. I really hope it's not the latter.[/quote]

It's not what you claim to be experiencing.  It's whether other people have any objective proof that your claim to be a self-aware sentient being is objectively verifiable.  You admit that it is not.

Some religious people claim to have visions or inspirations which are of such persuasive quality that they are subjectively convinced that God exists.   Atheists denigrate these sorts of beliefs because they cannot be objectively proved, not because it is fundamentally impossible for supernatural beings to exist.  There just isn't any objective evidence for them.

There is no logical difference between your subjective belief in your own self and a religious person's faith in their experience of god.  It's not a question of scientific proof.  It's a question of naive materialism.  Most atheists are naive materialists.  If it's not tangible accessible to you then you don't believe it exists.  There is no logical difference between your claim that you experience your "self" and a religious person's subjective experience of a "soul."[/quote]

I don't claim my existence to be a fact like religious people claim about souls, miracles, etc. You're free to come to your own conclusion about my existence.

Also, please stop it with the amateur philosophy. You don't sound more educated or knowledgeable. Just that you like the smell of your own fsrts.[/quote]

Wow, are you ever mean![/quote]

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