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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The bottom line is that Iran wants one of their proxies in charge of Palestine - Hamas or Hezbollah.  And Iran is who is organizing these pro-Palestine protests.  There aren't any strong pro-Palestine voices out there pushing back on the Iranian agenda.  [/quote]

It’s difficult to take your claim seriously. Those who share that view continue to press propaganda like this and refuse to accept that the only way that could even possibly be true is if Israel’s relentless campaign to deprive the Palestinians of hope for freedom and a future has led them right into the arms of Iran (or whatever boogeyman du jour).

And if the latter is true, why are we not talking about accountability in Israel for creating and mercilessly persisting with the conditions that led us to this point, where a country 1,500 miles away is able to establish influence as a counter-balance to the oppression model?[/quote]

I don't care about your incredulity about "my claim" about Iran - it's not my claim, it's widely known.  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iranian-government-actors-seeking-advantage-pro-palestinian-protests/story?id=111786372  Take your incredulity and complaints elsewhere, they go nowhere with me.

And regarding the latter, you aren't exactly refuting me and are in fact justifying Iran's involvement and meddling.  You also haven't refuted my argument that there aren't any strong pro-Palestine voices among the protesters strongly condemning and rejecting Hamas and Hezbollah (and in terms as strong as the ones they use against Israel) and proposing a genuinely new and different leadership direction or regime for Palestine.

So you still haven't even remotely made the case that anything I said is somehow "dishonest" or "despicable" or "slanderous" or "propaganda."[/quote]

The Palestinians live in concentration camps. It’s completely dishonest to pretend that there’s such a thing as “leadership” in this camps. There’s no entry or exit without Israel’s control. There no access to sea or air.

What are you even talking about?

Sure, I’ll join you in emphatically calling for new leadership in Gaza. Now what? Are you pathetically trying to condition throttling back the murder of civilians on this false premise that such a shared goal (new “leadership” in what amounts to a prison or concentration camp) is achievable given how Israel has chosen to execute this conflict.

Do the new leaders in Gaza show up tomorrow morning to pick up their keys to the city (of rubble)?[/quote]

Hamas runs the camps.  Trying to say "there's no leadership" is complete nonsense.

Now go back and address the rest of the points?  The fact that you're running away from answering the rest of them suggests you know the truth that Iran has its fingers deep in all of this.   The fact that you can't point to any Palestinians outside of Palestine or anyone else who carries any weight with regard to new leadership tells me you are unprepared and unequipped to even be having any meaningful conversation whatsoever about the future of Palestinians.

All you seem to have is a bunch of attacks, only to retreat, dodge and weave when your attacks are confronted.   It's really quite a fail on your part.[/quote]

DP. The issue is not Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, etc. The issue is Israel treatment of the Palestinians. When Israel was formed Israel kicked 750,000 Palestinians out of the country- no compensation, no rights, etc. Right to return, compensation, etc are the issues that needs to be resolved. Everything else is just Cat in the Hat's assistants making things worst exponentially.

Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, etc will just be replaced by the next in a long line of organizations and states trying to right the injustice and misery Israel is responsible for creating. Israel has made one thing clear. They would rather kill everyone else in the Middle East vs make peace.

Israel lives by the sword. Everyone who lives by the sword dies by the sword. It is long past time for Israel to do the right thing.[/quote]

History shows that for several hundred years, "Palestine" was part of the Ottoman Empire and that much of the lands were owned by Egyptians, Syrians, Turks etc.

History shows that Jews legally BOUGHT a big chunk of "Palestine" from Turkish, Egyptian, Syrian owners starting in the early 1900s. Yet "Palestinians" deny this and claim that every inch of land was somehow stolen from them, and never accepted the Jews from day one.

History shows that the British administered "Mandatory Palestine" after it was captured from the Ottoman Turks (not "Palestinian" control) in WWI.

History shows that the British who controlled Palestine recognized lands to be granted to Jews under the League of Nations deal in 1948.  Palestinians, who did not own or control that land refused to recognize it from day one.

They teamed up with Arab neighbors and tried to exterminate the Jews.  Repeatedly.

Yet here you are, pretending the Jews just dropped out of the sky from a UFO one day and stole everything and just started victimizing innocent Arabs who never did a damn thing to anyone.   Your understanding of history is woefully incomplete.[/quote]

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