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I am not as good about voting as I should be for off year elections.  For example I missed the gubernatorial election that made Youngkin governor.  But happy to say that I am getting ready to go vote this morning for reproductive rights.  Straight dem ticket. [/quote]

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I’m not against abortion, but we do have reproductive rights in VA. Abortion up to 16 weeks (when fetus feels pain), and full exceptions for rape, incest, life of mother. I’m not understanding what other rights are needed. Until birth? After birth? Healthy fetus, not healthy? [/quote]
There is absolutely no evidence that fetuses feel pain at 16 weeks. The brain structure just isn’t there.

And stop being an idiot. Seriously if you’re bumbling around in here and trying to act new about abortion, having ignored all the hundreds of articles about why women have had to get later abortions (and how your hateful forced birth politics force abortions from first trimester to second), you’re not a serious person. [/quote]

DP I support abortion rights but disagree. I have some medical background and there definitely is evidence that fetuses fee pain after their organs are mostly formed by early second trimester.

The problem is that generally women wanting abortions after 16 weeks are doing so because either the life of the fetus is not viable outside the womb or their own lives are at risk and they have other loved ones to consider.

Happily the vast majority of abortions are in the first trimester.

Also abortion bans after six weeks cause many medical facilities to flee because they cannot make what should be private and medical decisions without extreme political interference. It ends up hurting all women even those who wish to carry babies to full term. Many ob-gyn facilities closed in anti abortion law states after Dobbs.

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No, you are factually incorrect. https://www.acog.org/advocacy/facts-are-important/gestational-development-capacity-for-pain

“Rigorous scientific studies have found that the connections necessary to transmit signals from peripheral sensory nerves to the brain, as well as the brain structures necessary to process those signals, until at or after 24 weeks gestation. Because it lacks these connections or structures, a fetus or embryo does not have the physiological capacity to perceive pain until at least this gestational age.”

But yes, when it comes to abortion, most women who are pregnant and want to be not pregnant do so as fast as humanly possible.[/quote]

Ok I stand corrected. The fetuses do have heart beats much earlier than that and they do move away from instruments aimed at removing them. Organs are mostly formed by early second trimester.

[b]However, I am of the opinion that abortion rights should hold even if the fetuses did feel some pain after 16 weeks because usually abortions are sought due to fetus not being viable outside of the womb or endangering the mothers life.

Also, abortion decision should be made by women, their spouses, and their doctors without political interference.

Abortion bans are hurting all women due to political interference in medical decisions and procedures.[/b] [/quote]
On all this we are in full agreement. [/quote]

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