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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This. Yes, we're getting very close to being drawn into this, but not because we want to. As I've said on here before, Putin is spoiling for a fight and keeps upping the ante to draw NATO in. The question is not whetehr we enter, but when and in response to which trigger.[/quote]
I don't know about that. WHy is he not taking Kiev yet? He could, why is he so slow on the ground? He could have bombed Kiev to the ground by now, but he didn't. Seems to me NATO wants a fight.[/quote]

Yes of course.  That makes complete sense.  Russia hasn't taken Kyiv yet because NATO wants war.  Are you the same derp from the other thread?  Russia's been trying to take Kyiv but they've failed.  It turns out that their vast amy sucks.  No fuel, no food, no maintenance, no air superiority, no morale, [/quote]
And yet, he has bombs that can destroy it which would guarantee he takes it. He has not destroyed it? Why?[/quote]

Russia cannot take Kyiv without bombing it to rubble like it did in Grozny and Aleppo.  If he does this, and he may well, he will cause tens of thousands of civilian deaths. In addition, he will lose many, many soldiers and tanks.   And still, even if he managed to take Kyiv, it would continue to be an ungovernable pile of rubble with an insurgency that would never let him properly govern Ukraine as a Russian state.   I don’t pretend to believe that Putin has any qualms about killing civilians, but the level of death and destruction required to take Kyiv may well undermine his other goal - to rule it as part of Russia.

He may still hope to find a quisling to install as the head of a puppet government, but that is unlikely to be accepted inside or outside of Ukraine.

In addition, it seems doubtful that Putin actually can begin to move on Ukraine.  Russian supply lines are stretched and collapsing. Belarus isn’t providing the troops Putin thought would be part of the invasion due to widespread Belarussian civilian and military resistance, despite Putin trying to provoke Belarus into war with Ukraine by bombing Belarus with a Russian plane from the Ukraine side and claiming it was a Ukrainian plane. Furthermore, the Ukrainians are doing a crackerjack job of defending Kyiv, having attack the long tank column N of the city as well as defeating an airborne assault of a Kyiv airport in the opening days of war.

I fail to understand how it is NATO’s fault that Putin has done such a crap job invading Ukraine? [/quote]
He will do the same thing he is doing around the other cities: he will make a ring around Kyiv and leave people in the city without water and food. Kyiv said that they have 2 weeks worth of supplies... If a "crap job" means inhumane - you are right.[/quote]

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