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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can someone please explain why these protesters weren't at the RNC? I honestly don't understand why they're protesting the DNC, but not Bibi's bestie Donald, who definitely doesn't care about Palestinians.[/quote]

These are people who want “their party” to represent their interests. The leadership just expects everyone to shut up and fall in line. Things are changing.[/quote]

They don't get to call the Democrats "their party" when they run around shrieking "Genocide Joe" and heckling Democrats during campaign events and so on.  They have clearly taken a hateful, adversarial anti-Democrat position.

And don't even get me started on the fact that they are being organized and funded by Iran.  To me, that means their political party is the IRGC, and it's clear they won't vote for Democrats - I don't recognize them as Democrats.  [/quote]

The Dems are a lot more than just Israel. You only care about Israel and enforcing your views on everyone else. [/quote]

Yes, Dems are about a lot more than just Israel. But the pro-Palestine Progressive Left insists on tying all of those other issues to Palestine. It's not that MY only issue is Israel, it's that the goal of the pro-Palestinian movement is to make it impossible for me to be pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-climate science AND support democracy in the middle east and the rights of Jews not to be murdered through a global intifada.

The people showing up to every other issue with a Palestinian flag are the ones enforcing their views on everyone else.[/quote]

So your choice vis-a-vis the Middle East is to oppose democracy because you believe that the alternative exposes Jews to a “global intifada” where murder will be the outcome for “all Jews”.

First of all, “global intifada” is bravado fiction conjured by powerless figures in an effort to make their fight for freedom and a future seem less hopeless, and capitalized upon by those depriving them of a hopeless future as “proof” that they were right all along to have done so.

It’s not real. The number of Jews killed by Arabs or Muslims across the globe in the past 100 years is less than 1/2 of 1% of the number of Arabs and Muslims killed by Jews across the globe in that same period of time. So who’s undertaking a campaign of extermination here on the first place?

Second, your statement says it all - I’m all for “democracy”, but only if I retain permanent, indivisible control. So, interpreting that through a handy dandy bullshit meter, it says here that you don’t actually give a F about democracy.

Bottom line: you’re a garden variety fascist who masquerades as an evolved human being motivated by the common good, but you really only care about taking care of your own interests.

At least own who you are …[/quote]
I am a lot of things, but mainly, to you, I'm an internet stranger. Staying on our topic of conversation, I'll elaborate a little more about me:

I support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state. Mainly because history has shown us over and over again that Jews will eventually be murdered everywhere else we try to live. Giving Palestinians Israeli citizenship would necessarily make it no longer a Jewish state, which I believe is the point you were making about democracy. I could have said I support our allies in the middle east, rather than democracy in the middle east, though Israel IS a democracy where its citizens vote in real elections (many, many of them over the past few years, if you've been paying attention). The issue of who is a citizen of Israel is a related, but separate thing. I'd love to see a two-state solution, though, admittedly, I don't know what that would look like given the current political climate in the region. Certainly, it seems highly unattainable with Bibi and Hamas in power and with continued settlement building in the West Bank.

As for the "global intifada" - I have always believed that words matter. It's one of the many things I don't like about Trump, that he and his apologists just insist that the things he says don't mean anything. The intifada calls for the worldwide murder of all Jewish people. We have a lot of words in every language, so if people DON'T want to call for the death of all Jews, then they should just string a different set of words together to say what they actually mean.[/quote]

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