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https://fair.org/home/what-you-should-really-know-about-ukraine/
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Has anybody read the article above by "FAIR" (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)?

There is a lot of interesting material here that paints a complicated picture which, if accurate, suggests that the US has meddled a great deal in Ukraine's internal affairs, and may have even played a hand in the 2014 revolution. I'm curious to get feedback on the material presented in this article. Is it credible?

A second item that I'd like feedback on is the video below by the BBC, created in 2014, which documents the activities of neo-nazi groups in Ukraine who wish to create a "clean" (i.e. ethnically homogeneous) country.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY
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This video surprised me because I had assumed that Putin's claims of nazi groups in Ukraine was absurd. Are these groups small and insignificant, or do they have some real power?[/quote]

Those nazi groups were seeded and supported by Russia as part of its efforts to weaken Ukraine.

Ukraine doesn't have a Neo-nazi problem. (any more than any other Western country, including the U.S.) They elected Zelensky, who is Jewish, with over 70% of the vote. The mayor of Melitopol is Vitaly Kim, a Korean Ukrainian. [/quote]

But the neo-Nazi groups in the BBC video are pro-Ukrainian, not pro-Russia. Why would Russians finance pro-Ukrainian nazi groups?

Obviously, Zelensky and the mayor are not nazis. But the BBC videos indicates that nazi groups are indeed active in Ukraine.
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Russians would finance pro-Ukranian nazi groups to make Ulraine look bad and justify their invasion.[/quote]

Well Ukraine, just like the Baltics, DID have a history of strong collaboration with the Nazis during the war. I don’t blame them tho. You’d collaborate too if the choice was between death or collaboration. The Baltics is a diff story bc their collaboration with the nazis was a tad too enthusiastic. Native antisemitism as a factor. [/quote]

You could say that for a lot of European countries 70 odd years ago, notably the Vichy regime that collaborated with the Nazis. But none of this is relevant to today, where the neo-Nazi minorities in Europe are not anywhere close to fomenting revolution, even with Russian disinformation and funding. All these claims of de-Nazifying Ukraine are just RIDICULOUS and NONSENSICAL.

So let's move on. [/quote]

The current claims are hogwash. There is no nazi element in legit Ukraine politics.

It’s also hogwash to say all nazi element is fomented by Russia. Some is homegrown. You give the Russians too much credit.

It’s definitely homegrown in the Baltics, the only place in Europe where SS veterans get to march in their own parade. Anywhere else in Europe they’d be tarred and feathered but not there.[/quote]

I never said they were all fomented by Russia! You just want to argue endlessly when we could discuss something else. There are neo-Nazis in every country. They are a tiny minority. Even with Russian help, they're not going to amount to anything.

Next subject.
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