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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]What I fail to see is this was deemed a hate crime last night early on yet the DC family murders weren't. Why is that ?

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I am not sure anyone has made the case that Wint was motivated by hate. Roof told the folks in the church he was going to kill them because they were black. Wint was able to obtain $40,000. Roof didn't take a dime.

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That's too easy, Mr. Steele.  Wint didn't have to torture and/or light a child on fire to get the $40,000.  There was apparently way more cruelty involved in the Wint case than can plausibly be explained by purely financial motivations.  While the Wint case continues to have a lot of open questions, this is exactly the kind of inference I think is to some extent intellectually dishonest.  All the term "hate crime" does is try to make certain crimes sound worse because of extraneous political considerations.  I'm not sure there is any meaningful way to say which case was worse; obviously more were killed in the church shooting, but I suspect the Wint victims suffered far more over the length of their ordeal.  I think it is foolish to try to get into such comparisons, and the hate crime concept does so for no good reason, in my estimation.

Having said that, there is zero doubt that the church shooting was a racist incident.  I mean, the guy actually said as much.     [/quote]

I wonder what your motives are even bringing this up.[/quote]

I'm not the one who raised the Wint case.  Your quarrel is with Mr. Steele if you believe it is somehow illegitimate to raise that topic.

Having said that, there is an ongoing discussion of hate crimes and how white people discuss white vs. black crimes in this thread.  My motive was to participate in this discussion. What is your motive in even bringing my motive up?  :)[/quote]

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