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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maybe the admissions office should change the requirements to have a test required for entrance again. No minimum score do they can still offer bonus experience points to students to get the desired diversity, but for the rest of the kids it would be a fair process for them to enroll students who are actually the top of the school. I don’t see how they can fairly determine which students have the most aptitude for stem from schools like Longfellow, Cooper, and Rachel Carson.

How is it possible that students with all As and in Algebra II or Precalc not getting jn, but students with one grading period of Algebra I are getting in from those schools?

Students entering TJ with only Algebra I won’t be able to take any of the advanced math classes past Calculus and can’t take any of the advanced Physics classes until senior year. They can get the same classes at their base school. Students in Algebra II in 8th grade will run out of math options at base schools.

In my son’s Precalc BC class this year at TJ (as a 9th grader), there were 4 juniors in his class, they all dropped down to Precalc AB after the 1st semester because BC was too hard for them. None of the 9th/10th graders had to drop down.

I’m not against having a pathway for students who enter with Algebra I from middle schools that don’t have advanced math classes at their school, but for other middle schools when kids are taking the most advanced classes and proving that they have the math skills, they shouldn’t be rejected for kids with lower grades/the lowest math levels. The process really isn’t fair.[/quote]

Yes, I agree with this. The so called holistic admissions process is really just testing the student’s writing skills more than anything. The pse is also just basic algebra that doesn’t allow the students to demonstrate their capabilities. Many students with perfect grades and in the highest math class are getting waitlisted or rejected. I think the admissions process should consider the gpa more and also require a preview of the student’s standard test grades and achievements. This would help the process become more fair. [/quote]
It’s good to have excellent writers at TJ though, kids can be math superstars but lacking in writing. [/quote]

They don’t have to get rid of the essays, just add an objective way to determine abilities related to math/science.[/quote]

Teachers recc’s. This would easily tease out the top layer of kids at each school. [/quote]

That's not enough.  Some schools do not prepare enough kids for TJ to fill their quota.[/quote]

I did not mean ONLY use teacher recc's. I meant add teacher recc's to the current process. Worst part of the current process is that at schools with lots of qualified kids the current approach doesn't do a good enough job at finding the top of that school's batch. [/quote]

Carson probably has around 200 kids apply for TJ. How do you think the limited number of teachers are supposed to write 200 letters of recommendation? With what time? And still do class preparation and grade and everything else that they do. Even if those 200 kids are spaced out among the 4 teams, that is 50 kids per team. And you know that they are going to be asking the Math and/or Science teacher for a letter of recommendation. They will probably ask the STEM electives teachers for a letter, so the Engineering and Computer Science teachers.

And your definition of the top student is different then someone elses definition. You can have a kid taking A1H in 8th grade that really likes math and science but took a bit longer to pick up the interest. The kid has a 4.0 GPA and an interest in robotics, is he lesser then the kid in Geometry or A2H with a 4.0 GPA and an interest in robotics?

A quant test that gives an automatic advantage to kids who were accelerated in math is some how more fair in your mind. Even when many of those kids have been in outside prep since ES? My kid has done RSM grade level and then math comp since 3rd grade. He would crush a quant test because he has been exposed to more math, is that really a good measure when there are kids who have not been outside enrichment?

There are a lot of interested kids and the vast majority would fit the definition of well qualified. You don't like the current method, plenty of other peopel didn't like the old method. No one is going to agree on one approach. Lots of qualified kids were put ont he wait list or not admitted. Again, if you think this is bad, wait for college admissions in 4 years. Most of the schools some of you are targetting have less then 10% admission. [/quote]

If only standardized tests existed we could eliminate this issue.  [/quote]

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