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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Unless Yale plans to dramatically increase in size, the only way to end the “murky admissions practices” is to be open about conducting a lottery for everyone over a certain benchmark. There is no fair way to pick a mere 2% from a pool of highly-qualified 17 year olds. [/quote] The pool of truly highly qualified applicants is much smaller than the number who appear highly qualified on paper. grade inflation, test optional, superscoring, score choice, fake ECs all make it highly difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, turns college admissions into a cynical game of PR and marketing.[/quote] It’s not that you’re wrong, it’s that Yale and its peers have no ability to reverse grade inflation or eliminate the cynical game of PR and marketing, and their admissions offices have no ability to distinguish between the truly qualified and those who only look qualified on paper. Picking the 2% who are truly qualified from a very large pool of people who appear to be truly qualified is impossible. [/quote] Qualified for what? Yale needs to have biochem majors and math majors and history majors and drama students and hockey players on and on. You don't get that with a lottery. They can change to a lottery but it fundamentally changes lots of things about current American colleges. And what good is freeing up science research dollars because you instituted a lottery and ending up without the students interested in pursuing the research? That makes no sense. I see nothing in this report that indicates a lottery system is going to be used by American universities.[/quote] I could do without Hockey players. You know what would be popular - if the ivy League together got rid of 20% of their sports. Hockey is popular, I get it. But how about moving the following from varsity/recruited sports to club sports: Mens sailing Women sailing Mens skiing Womens skiing mens water polo womens water polo mens squash womens squash mens fencing womens fencing I'd also get rid of mens field hockey and women's wrestling but maybe that's too controversial if you have sports that dont bring in 30 spectators at home, it's a club sport. treat it like one. get rid of legacy at the same time. get rid of the Z list. and put in place SAT minimums. announce it all at once. [/quote] Wouldn't it just be easier to have your kid play by the existing rules rather than trying to reshape it in your image? Get your kid into sailing, squash, water polo and fencing.[/quote] Do as much of that as you like but it has nothing to do with pursuing higher education. Makes no sense.[/quote] The school values sports. You don’t. Find a school that aliwoth your priorities.[/quote] The Yale report indicates that that ship is sailing. Has nothing to do with me. They want to get rid of things like recruiting for sailing that is angering the country. Yale probably needs research dollars more than it needs a sailing team.[/quote] People are angry about sailing?[/quote] Did you read the article? Admissions preferences. That means VIP donors, athletes, legacy etc.[/quote] I guess they can still have a sailing team but no more special admissions for sailors. They will have to work with the students that get in based on academic work.[/quote] And then it will just become another school, just like so many others. Nothing special. It's almost as if you have no idea what makes some schools special. [/quote] Do these institutions want the millions in research dollars or not? Sorry but the football team and the sailing team, etc. Are pissing off the taxpaying voters.[/quote] The big 5 are not pissing off the voters.[/quote] The Big 5? These schools are only pissing off two groups: People who resent anything given to black people. Asian strivers who feel that their priorities aren't favored.[/quote] Asians don't care about athletic recruiting. Of all the weirdness that is college admissions in the US, rewarding athletic skills that takes 20 hours a week for years on end seems much less crazy than some of the other preferences.[/quote]
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