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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]FYI, since this seems to be misunderstood on this thread: when you expunge a middle school grade, you do not have to retake the course. You may choose to, but you don’t have to. [/quote]

So you get the credit (if you pass) but you don't get to see the grade--is this what you mean?  Because you'd need the credit from the class, so just want to make sure we understand this.[/quote]

Colleges will know that means it wasn’t a good grade [/quote]

Colleges are not going to care about any grades from middle school.  Heck, a lot of colleges discount grades from 9th grade when they recompute GPAs.

The bigger issue is that if the grade is poor enough to expunge, the kid will struggle in Algebra II or pre-calc.  I'm not sure that I would place a child in FCPS 6th grade Algebra without also having the kid take Algebra through RSM or AoPS.  [/quote]

I agree with your second part, but I know for fact the colleges care.  It is absolutely a red flag to not have a grade for a math class.  They look very closely at course selection, grades for all high school courses. Expunge at your own risk.  [/quote]

Sorry, you’re wrong. In many places (like where I live in NJ), middle school courses/grades are not on the HS transcript at all, even if they are traditionally high-school courses. My kid’s transcript does not list algebra, geometry, or Latin I. [/quote]

I think you’re probably wrong about this, and likely missed the section where those courses are listed (ie:not with the HS coursework), but this a thread about a pilot program in our FCPS schools. Here in FCPS, the high school transcripts absolutely list the high school level courses taken prior to HS — they’re listed in a separate section, but it’s there and calculated into gpa. [/quote]

To add to this discussion: most parents here are focused on Virginia schools, where admissions teams look closely at courses and grades—even those taken at the middle school level. [What New Jersey does isn’t really relevant to us.]

To the parent of the 12th grader who suggested it won’t matter: I agree that colleges recalculate GPAs using their own methods and always consider an unweighted GPA. But if you expunge a grade from the transcript, you also lose the potential benefit of that grade being factored into the GPA. To say it “totally won’t matter” isn’t accurate. At schools like UVA and Virginia Tech, it’s hard to imagine it won’t matter, since they consistently emphasize that they review the courses taken, the rigor of those courses, and the grades earned.[/quote]

Why would a person expunge a grade if it would benefit them to have it factored into their GPA?  You expunge a grade because you don’t want it in your GPA.

I am in NJ now but my kids were in FCPS before (one through 10th grade) and I’m familiar with AAP math and the FCPS high school transcript, as well as with college admissions.  I mention NJ to explain that colleges’ first thought when they don’t see on the transcript a course taken in middle school is not “oh, the kid must have done poorly in that class.”  They just as likely think it’s not on the HS transcript because it’s not a course taken in HS (since many places only include on the transcript courses actually taken in HS). Even if a college knows FCPS well enough to know the course should be on the transcript, I guarantee that they do not care about a grade for a course taken in sixth or seventh grade, especially if they have four or five other, more recent math grades to look at.  If that kid gets As in AP Precal and AP Calc BC, a college absolutely will not care about what they got in Algebra I in middle school. And if they do poorly in AP Precal or AP Calc, a good grade in Algebra I is not going to save them.

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Proceed at your own risk then.  They will absolutely make note of it.  You heard it here first [/quote]

DP.  It's cute that you think so.  You're obviously an ES parent.  :). 
So, in your world, a kid with very high grades across the board, including As in Calc and post-calc DE classes will have trouble getting into UVA or VT engineering due to a missing Algebra I grade from 6th grade?  That's completely absurd, especially since there are any number of benign reasons that a kid might not have a grade recorded on their transcript for classes taken before high school.

One of the reasons many colleges omit 9th grade classes when they recompute an applicant's GPA is that kids mature a lot during 9th grade.  The grades from later years are much more indicative of how well the kid will do in college and how solid their academic foundations are.  This is doubly true for classes taken in *6th grade.*

There are *a lot* of reasons to be worried about this pilot, but kids expunging and having a "missing" Algebra I grade from 6th grade on their high school transcript is not really one of them.  I have no idea why you're so obsessed with the "missing grade" issue.  The real problem is that any kids who earn poor grades in 6th grade Algebra, as well as a good chunk of the kids who get As will have bad math foundations and will get poor grades in the later classes.  Colleges will certainly care about the kid's grades in the pre-calc, AP Calc, and DE classes they take in high school.  [/quote]

I am rather cute actually, but not just an ES parent and have a perspective I’m sure you don’t have when it comes to college admissions.  You don’t have to take my advice though.  But why would a college admit a kid with an expunged grade over a kid with an A in that class.  It’s literally a point system they employ and an expunged grade results in less points.   They don’t like to see shady things.  End of story.  Good luck navigating this crazy space![/quote]
Ah.  So in your "expert" opinion, a colleges prefer the kid with As recorded in Algebra I, Geo, Algebra II, Pre-Calc, and Calc over the kid with As recorded in Geometry, Algebra II, PreCalc, Calc, Multivariable, Linear, and Diff Eq, but no Algebra I?   Kid #2 somehow looks "shady" to you and will be rejected by colleges, even though there really are some benign reasons why the ES course wouldn't appear on a high school transcript (like, kid switched school districts or switched from private to public for 9th grade).  If having a "missing" class were such a huge red flag, FCPS wouldn't let people expunge grades without requiring a retake of the class.

I will again reiterate that you're ridiculous, and grades or the lack thereof for classes taken in *6th grade* will not even slightly impact a kid's ability to be admitted to UVA, VT, or even HYPSM.  They do not care in the slightest about any grades, awards, or anything your kid did as a 11-12 year old when deciding whether to admit your now 17-18 year old.  [/quote]

First, there is a more common scenario where kids have grades in Algebra 1- Multivariate Calculus/Linear Algebra which you conveniently leave out.  Second, yes it is literally points based and with the rollout of AI in admissions those data points will be picked up by an algorithm not a human reviewer.  And guess what?  No grade in algebra will likely be put in a different pile rated lower on the initial pass.  Just go ask some TJ kids how much accelerated math has helped with their admissions at VT or UVA.  Again you do you though.  [/quote]

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