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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As PP mentioned, it will be Rubio, not JD Vance who you have to contend with in 2028. And no one mentioned in this thread is that strong vs Rubio, especially in states like AZ, VA, and GA. People in VA and GA do not like Trump because of his personality; his “tell it like it is” boorishness plays better in the Blue Wall, not in the more mannered South, especially in the suburbs. Rubio doesn’t have that problem. Pair him with someone like Tulsi, another relatively young POC who’s a woman with appeal to independents and type of people who vote D but like RFK Jr and listen to Rogan, and Rubio will be very tough to beat. Dems need to remember that they should run really fast away from whoever inside the Beltway pols are  routing for because the rest of the country won’t like them. [/quote]

You're forgetting one thing. Just like Vance, Pence, Harris, Mondale... Rubio is currently and will presumably still be working in the Administration of a very unpopular POTUS in 2028. History tells us, for those that care enough to pay attention, people associated with very unpopular presidents have zero chance of winning a POTUS election themselves; especially when that unpopular POTUS is the current sitting POTUS.

Even if you weren't aware of this history, it's basic common sense. Swing voters in swing states are always sold on the message of change. When the sitting POTUS has a 40% job approval rating, there is absolutely zero chance of enough of these swing voters in swing states jumping on board with someone associated with that POTUS based on their promise of "change". This is why Harris had zero chance of winning in 2024. This is why Vance's political career will be over in January 2029. This is why Pence's political career is over. This is why Mondale got beat 49 states to 1 in 1984.

None of this is rocket science. Think. Read.[/quote]

Rubio isn't JD Vance. He may be Secretary of State now, but so far he has a separate identity from MAGA nutcases.

He will be a formidable candidate.

Democrats are all Trump, Trump, Trump right now - and doing very poorly in their opposition. And as always, they think they can run lame candidates like a Biden or Harris to beat a Trump redux bc everyone will want change.

But I do think a Rubio or a Haley absolutely destroys Democrats even after four years of Trump. So far, Democrats are offering nothing except an alternative to Trump, which didn't work well last time around. And they have no answer to a competent Republican nominee.

I mean who beats Rubio in Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and North Carolina?

It's very early, but I too think Pritzker is a strong candidate now. I think AOC is too young, but anyone that can get the Sanders movement going will have a solid chance. A movement candidate. But the people mentioned here - Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear, Newsome - have no chance against Rubio in the swing states. [/quote]

Have you seen Rubio speak without a teleprompter? He looks like a deer in the headlights.  He gets clobbered in debates. But then again, Kamala clobbered Trump in the debate and still lost so clearly brains and logic aren’t top of mind to many American voters.[/quote]

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