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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][url][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking. [/quote]

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question,  having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor. [/quote]

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child? [/quote]

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.[/quote]

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up?  Often not as productive members of society. [/quote]

Child can go with the parents.[/quote]

not if they're US citizens[/quote]

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.[/quote]

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?[/quote]

Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones  making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?[/quote]

You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW).  And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care?  Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education.  Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands  of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse?  I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences. [/quote]

The illegal immigrants who are abandoning their children in the US are causing this problem. They made choices they are forcing their innocent children to live with. Quit blaming the American taxpayer for this problem. We don’t create it- we have to live with it and pay for it, though. That’s why it needs to stop. I am amazed how illegal immigrants break the law, the government is complicit, and the American taxpayer is blamed. It’s not our fault. Blame the people causing this massive problem.[/quote]

Okay. Let’s say I 100% blame the parents. Entirely their fault. I absolutely agree with you.

Identifying the problem is easy.  Now that the blame game is done—- WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?[/quote]

What's with the all caps?  The solution is already there.  In fact, multiples of them.

Option A: child goes with parents.

Option B: child stays and goes to foster care or stays with relatives (exactly what happens with children of incarcerated Americans).

Option C, to be used concurrently: mom and dad are prevented from entering illegally in the first place. [/quote]

Option A: the parents leave the kid, is legal and changing that would require a constitutional amendment.

Option B: how much are you willing to invest in foster care and what are you going to do to keep it from turning out kids with out high school educations who end up in jail?

Option C: Duh. But we hanged hundreds of thousands of families in this situation here now. So, going forward, sure. But, for the kids here now? Too little too late.

I’m fine with foster care, BTW. As long as you find the foster care system and reform it so we don’t get 100,000 uneducated criminals in 10-15 years. [/quote]

lol you make it sound like there are no uneducated American criminals! what's with insisting on superior results for children of the undocumented? their results will be exactly like average results of foster care children. [/quote]

Hey— I work in this area. The whole foster care system needs a massive overhaul and much better funding. What it does to ALL kids is unconscionable. I think that’s a different thread though. My point is dumping 100,000 kids into a failed system is a bad idea. But yes, we agree that we should do much better by kids.

PS— these ARE American kids. Born here with citizenship.[/quote]

Dumped off and abandoned by their parents who knew the laws and decided to leave their kids behind. [/quote]

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