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People may not realize this, but only 5 or 6 AAP centers allow kids to skip up to 6th grade AAP math while in 5th.  If your kid doesn't attend one of those centers, you're out of luck.  [/quote]

Which AAP centers allow it, if you don't mind sharing?[/quote]

Oops.  It's actually more than 6.
This tool shows all of the schools that have had a 6th grader take the Algebra I SOL. Scroll to the bottom to see the results.
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex/f?p=152:1:6962235569602:SHOW_REPORT::::

If your kid attends one of the listed schools, then your school participates in the FCPS 6th grade Algebra path.  If it isn't listed, then either they haven't had a single student from 2018-2023 meet the criteria, or the school doesn't participate.  [/quote]
Settings for this:  Select school years 2022-2023, 2021-2022, 2020-2021, 2018-2019.  
Report level: School
Division:  fairfax county
Grade: 6
Subject area: Mathematics
Test Algebra I

Leave everything else on default, and then hit submit.  Eventually, the bottom of the page will show all of the schools that had a student take the Algebra I SOL in 6th.

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Looking at the State-wide numbers, the pass rate for 6th graders in Algebra 1 is over 98.5% for all of past two decades, and 100% more than half of the those years.  Clear evidence that [i]the[/i] 6th graders [i]allowed by their respective systems into the class[/i] are more than capable of taking on Algebra 1.

The same cannot be said of 8th grader who waited and then enrolled in Algebra 1, with 10 to 12% failing the basic SOL.  
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FTFY.

So the only argument you could possibly be legitimately making from this evidence is that FCPS should be only as restrictive as the [i]least[/i] restrictive system in Virginia that allows 6th graders to take Algebra 1. Since no system is open enrollment, you cannot be making the OP's argument, which was a fallacious connection between an article about advanced math in Texas and open enrollment for 6th graders into Algebra 1 Honors.[/quote]
The entire point of original article and the title of this discussion is URM kids are being excluded from advanced math options that have proven to be overwhelmingly successful with 98% pass rate everywhere (including VA according to above data. ). An open enrollment with an option to step down increases the opportunities in advanced math for URM kids.

from article:
"We have seen our advanced math enrollment numbers for all demographics increase," McDaniel said. "But specifically with students of poverty and students of color, we have seen an increase in the number of students in advanced math tracks." [/quote]

For the very last time, advanced math != Algebra 1 Honors in 6th grade.

advanced math == Algebra 1 Honors in 8th grade[/quote]
you appear to be on an equity crusade to lower everyone's level of math enrollment. It is not working.

Advanced math means Algebra 1 in 6th grades, and Algebra 2 in 8th grades, with very high success rate as statewide SOL data shows.  For the very last time, URM kids are excluded from this advanced path. [/quote]

At first I was frustrated by this thread because the OP was so preposterous.  Then I thought OP was trolling.

Now I find it hilarious.  So thanks for the entertainment, OP.  Good job. [/quote]
for the privileged it may be hilarious and entertainment, but for us URMs it's our advancement. You might prefer that URMs remain as needing remedial assistance forever, but many of us have the skills to take on advanced math too, if not for the barriers to access.  Frankly, in that state-wide SOL data indicating successful pass rates of 6th graders in Algebra 1, how many students are URM? How many URMs are being presented with these advanced math options? It is judgemental to imply URM students cannot take on advanced math, by saying everyone should slow down.   Work on removing barriers, make advanced math default enrollment, and let students opt out.  [/quote]

Because some other kids did well in 6th grade algebra does not mean black kids will do well in 6th grade algebra.  You are talking about a group of 40 kids, some of whom might be black, and using those 40 datapoints to claim that 2000 black kids should be enrolled in algebra in 6th grade.  You say parents are not being informed or are not as capable of finding this info, so everyone should be included by default.  If they are so uneducated, then how would parents know to remove their less capable kid from this class?
Perhaps you should advocate a more serious method of determining who should take algebra in 6th grade, or prealgebra in 6th grade.  This prealgebra would be the advanced math that was being talked about in the Texas article.

How about you show some evidence of capable black students denied algebra in 6th grade, or 7th grade?  Who are these kids that have met criteria but were denied?
I'm not doubting it bappened, for reasons stated previously, but you are pointing to other kids who did well in the class as evidence.  What is your proof that those kids who did well were equally qualified to take 6th grade algebra and not extreme outliers?[/quote]

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