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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A huge blow to the DEI crowd. [/quote]

And with legacy beginning to be pulled as well at many colleges...hopefully, we can enter a 'merit-based' admissions era.[/quote]

I feel like people aren’t reading the article.

Dartmouth is basically saying we will take lots of kids with SAT scores in the 1300s and 1400s coming from disadvantaged schools.

I don’t see how that will help the 1580 Asian kid from TJ.  Those parents will be crying louder than ever.[/quote]

That is not at all what the article said.[/quote]

Ok, what did it say...here is a direct quote:

“We’re looking for the kids who are excelling in their environment. [b]We know society is unequal[/b],” Beilock said. “Kids that are excelling in their environment, we think, are a good bet to excel at Dartmouth and out in the world.” [b]The admissions office will judge an applicant’s environment partly by comparing his or her test score with the score distribution at the applicant’s high schools, Coffin said. In some cases, even an SAT score well below 1,400 can help an application.[/b][/quote]

No,

You are misreading.

The article said that kids at those lower performing schools (such as a school where most kids graduate at a 3rd grade reading level or no one takes calculus) with scores in that range (1400+/-) are kids who have proven they can succeed at a school like Dartmouth.  In contrast, a kid from a wealthy school with every resource at thier disposal who still only has a middling SAT score but high GPA will struggle.

That statement is talking about the potential to resources ratio.   It is not a statement about a hard cut off of test scores.

You are completely misreading the entire article.[/quote]

My comment was in response to someone claiming that now schools will admit purely on merit.  Dartmouth's policy will now accept plenty of kids with a 1300 or 1400 from an under-resourced school vs. the TJ kid with a 1580.  It's not even about a wealthy school vs. non-wealthy school (at least from the perspective of student-body wealth).

[b]The TJ parents will continue to cry that the world is biased against them because their 1580 kid was rejected by Dartmouth while some 1300 kid from Harlem public schools was admitted.[/b][/quote]

They won’t just cry. Someone will sue. Watch. [/quote]

Based on what? Nothing in the constitution says that schools are required to take the top test score. I don't see this lawsuit as having any legs unless they can prove discrimination actually happened. If Dartmouth wants to prioritize lower-income and disadvantaged students, that's totally their right.[/quote]

Exactly. Rich people aren’t a protected class. As long as they aren’t placing students into separate groups for admission based on race, they can choose to interpret the meaning of test scores in the context of educational advantages or disadvantages that any student might have experienced. Their data shows that students with a 1400 SAT or above do well at Dartmouth. There are plenty of advantaged kids applying with 1500+, so that’s expected, in light of their educational advantages. A SAT of 1400 is great for a kid from a bad school, and the data shows they’ll be successful at Dartmouth. The problem is that test optional was artificially inflating the SAT average, so less advantaged kids weren’t submitting their 1400’s and unintentionally disadvantaging themselves even more. [/quote]

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