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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Evergreen State College is the poster child for what’s wrong with the CTCL list.  [b]It accepts virtually everyone who applies[/b], a full [b]one-third of its students are gone after freshman year[/b], and only 1/3 of an entering class graduates in four years.  Why on earth would that school be selected out of hundreds if not thousands of no name state colleges as being a college that “changes lives?”  It’s just nuts, and it calls into question the entire list.

Every one of these schools needs to be judged on its own merits, and the list as a whole or as an aggregate needs to be thrown out the window. [/quote]

This may come as a shock to PP, but some in higher education believe in offering opportunity to as many students as possible.  By definition, that means that many won’t make it.  Complaining about this makes PP seem really bad at math. [/quote]

I don’t disagree with any of that, my point is that none of that makes this particular school special enough to be included in any book about colleges that “change lives.” It is no different than hundreds of other schools in exactly the same category.[/quote]
Sigh… except that the NYT editor that wrote the book looked into it and felt it was special, for reasons that I suspect both of us are entirely ignorant of.

If you want to denigrate its inclusion, you need to do better than pointing to its retention rate, because casting a wide net and trying to support kids who would be rejected elsewhere — some of whom won’t make it — is a reasonable and arguably admirable strategy (and one also pursued by many state university systems at many of their campuses).[/quote]

Did the author visit the other couple hundred if not thousands of state schools?  Somehow I doubt it [/quote]

The author deliberately included only schools whose focus was 100% on undergraduate teaching. So most wouldn't have qualified by those standards. [/quote]

Bro, it’s not the Bible.  Really, it’s ok to be a skeptic.  [/quote]

Oh, I don't think it's the bible at all. I think there are a lot of great schools not on the list, for example. But you posed a question, and there's actually an answer to it. [/quote]

PP, if this were social media, I would totally be following you![/quote]

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