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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]See, here's the thing.  An "abortion story" that goes something like "I didn't want to have a baby so I had an abortion" is every bit as valid as all of these stories about fetal abnormalities and everything else because MY BODY MY CHOICE.  Nothing else matters.[/quote]
Why end the life of a tiny human being who no longer needs you? Allow her to continue her life without you. What’s the payoff in being violent?[/quote]

Why are you lying? People don't get abortions on healthy pregnancies willy-nilly after the point of viability. They might end a pregnancy after 27 weeks for tragic reasons, but at that point the baby is delivered. Even in few weeks before viability, most pregnancies that are deliberately ended are tragic situations like this one. Read this woman's story. Even at 19.5 weeks it was a delivery, by c-section, not a D&E. [twitter]https://twitter.com/YepISaidItAgain/status/1541206014846013442[/twitter] [/quote]

Oh good, yet another story just like the OP's with absolutely zero evidence or indication that mother's life was remotely in jeopardy. Pregnancies end spontaneously at many points in pregnancy and end naturally without danger to the mother--sorry, pregnant person--all the time. And by the way, if the fetus is just a sack of cells and only a "potential for life" as most posters on here keep claiming, why all the worry about the "baby" "suffering, suffocating?" You can't have it both ways. You can't say it's only a "potentail for life" and then claim it's to prevent their suffering in the uterus if it's not really a person. I speak from experience very much like this story. I was never in danger, the pregnancy ended on its own. My twins lived and breathed in my arms for a short time on earth. My healthcare takers knew better than to sedate me, knowing that it was important for me to be in the moment and remember my children. I don't have the PTSD that the storyteller here does--and I didn't even have a child to go home to. Just an empty sad house. But hard things happen to us, and if you're a normal person, you grieve and move on. This story is BS. [/quote]

Medical intervention sometimes requires risk assessment of what may happen even if it isn't happening yet. That is why an ectopic pregnancy should be removed upon identification rather than waiting it out - or maybe you would choose to for yourself, but that's you.

That is why high risk folks are advised to get vaccinated for COVID. Or why some women with high familial risk if breast cancer choose to undergo mastectomy. There are millions of ways people make medical decisions in consultation with their doctor and may take initiative to do something preemptively rather than ride it out.

When it comes to an unviable and potentially unsafe pregnancy, waiting it out may be ok or it may not. But a woman should be able to choose and just because you may choose differently for yourself what to do based on your beliefs or risk perception depending on the scenario does not give you the right to make that choice for another woman. You are also not a doctor - the only group who should be advising on the real risk to the woman.[/quote]

But people who get prophylactic mastectomies don't say that it saved their lives. It potentially saved their lives and gave them peace of mind. They cannot say definitively it saved their lives and neither can that person in the Twitter story. It's disingenuous and specious and not a good argument for choice. Either you believe in choice or you don't. The need to claim it saved your life (when there's no proof it did) certainly devalues the women who make that choice for other reasons. It seems like there are a few camps in the pro-abortion movement. Those who think it should be allowed only when it is needed to save or--in the OP's case, maybe possibly, in some universe, saves--the mother's life and those who think the choice should be a woman's no matter the circumstance. For the record, I am in the second camp and just over hearing from dramatic women whose arguments are specious.[/quote]

The end result is doctors being on situations that require a woman get sicker before they can save her based on risk assessment - which is how these decisions are made. Your argument sounds lime you support that - wait it out until she's lost enough blood, gotten an infection, become septic, etc. [/quote]
+1 That’s happening right now.
[twitter]https://twitter.com/maxkennerly/status/1541998224566796288?s=21&t=YHjPFzKoPSMlG_Xr6IC69w[/twitter][/quote]

[b]This is what people voted for- particularly in Missouri….now they see this, will they change their voting habits or no?[/b] I despair that people still won’t care. [/quote]

Who are the doctors who are refusing to treat women with ectopic pregnancies?

The law is NOT ambiguous on this. Which state doesn't provide an exemption for ectopic pregnancy?

I am pro-choice but these stories, and their circulation in pro-choice circles, and their "this is what YOU voted for," makes me fearful that there is a certain contingent of adamantly pro-choice medical providers who are trying to prove a point.

I am very, very dubious that any ob/gyn would be fearful of prescribing methotrexate for an ectopic pregnancy based upon current laws-- or, if needed, performing laparoscopy.

Expectant management IS considered a valid treatment for ectopic pregnancy in the early stages, FWIW. About half of ectopic pregnancies resolve on their own.

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Catholic hospitals already refuse to provide methotrexate so … and I don’t know every single state law, but the point is, once you start criminalizing abortion, you have doctors who are going to be unsure of where the lines are. Maybe they suspect ectopic but can’t confirm … then what?[/quote]

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