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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think the OP is talking about those who come to her part of the world to "convert us."  I don't thinks she's talking about the ones who just duig wells, provide medical services and, you know, spread the love.  [u]So to stay on topic [/u] the responses should be about those missionaries who try to spread the word, tell the people how to obtain eternal salvation and so forth.    [/quote]

[b]Does “spreading the love” mean encouraging indigenous people to “let go” of traditional beliefs? [/b]

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you should ask the person who said that.  I don't think anyone really believes that's all missionaries do.  [/quote]

[b]Is that ok for any missionaries to do? [/b]
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It depends on what you believe I guess.  The missionaries in Hawaii got the females to cover up their toplessness because the Bible (from the midd-east) deemed it immoral.  Is that ok with you?[/quote]

The missionaries shouldn’t have been there in the first place. 
They certainly shouldn’t have have forced any changes to local traditions & customs & religion. 
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At the same time, some local traditions would have prevented them from catching up to the modern times.
They needed to learn to read and write, do away with the custom of walking topless and the taboo of men and women eating together.
A new century was on their doorstep and they needed the skills to navigate it in order to survive as a people[/quote]

“Local traditions” in the Hawaiian culture included the abandonment/exposure of infants deemed “defective.”  Also the maintenance of a caste system that included a slave caste others considered disgusting. Incestuous marriages among the elite, death penalty inflicted at whim by the ruling class, and human sacrifice were also traditional practices.

In other parts of the world, “traditional practices” to this day include “honor killings,” forcible concubinage, involuntary servitude, and the murder of homosexuals, among other things.

The notion that “traditional practices” represent some sort of divine Eden that must never be interfered with is juvenile and ill-informed at best. [/quote]

Wow. So, are you fine with the boarding schools and the genocide of Native American tribes and the Bible waving justifications for slavery in the US?  Perhaps you could address the planks embedded in your own eyes.  Everything that you’re railing against as “local traditions” has very clear parallels on Christian European cultures.  It seems that you might know quite a bit about being “juvenile and I’ll-informed at best” and even more about being hypocritical.  DP [/quote]
Boarding schools native American genocide was the government, not missionaries[/quote]

It wasn't just the government. 
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-churches-reckon-traumatic-legacy-native-schools-78994651
https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/10/08/methodist-lutheran-episcopal-native-american-residential-schools/

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Nobody is saying missionary schools were good—they weren’t.

You’re incapable of staying in the present, though. OP is criticizing present-day missionaries. But all you can come up with is past history. If you’re going to do that, then bringing up secular oppression of groups like the Uighers is absolutely on point and, what’s more, it’s relevant today.

You STILL haven’t condemned China’s role, let alone started a thread about the Uighers. You don’t seem the least concerned about Wahhabi and ISIS proselytizers who are oppressing people TODAY. Why not?[/quote]

More than one person commenting here old chap. I’m the one still trying to untangle the horrors that my own ancestors dealt with — and the apparent certainty of some that it should be ignored — ‘cause: past — even as the self-serving beliefs that underlie missionary efforts persist.

Are you holding the position that the religious tenets that underlie religious missionary traditions sprang fully formed at some particular “modern” point, and are politically , spiritually, socially, and culturally completely disconnected from earlier missionary efforts?

If so, then, what or when exactly was that point?  [/quote]

I already said missionary schools were bad. What else do you want? Oh wait, either you never read that or you’re just ignoring it.

What is the point if you won’t READ what people write before you respond? Which you obviously don’t do. You just want to spew insults, without letting other peoples’ posts get in your way.

Bye. Not going to join you in the gutter. [/quote]

I asked a very specific question: If you are disconnecting current missionary efforts from much of the history of missionary work and forced acculturation that you’re trying to distance your current argument from, where exactly are you drawing a line? What distinctions are you making?

What insults have I spewed? Name one. You’re the one spewing insults. Lol. I guess it’s easier for you to throw a hissy fit and blame your inability to respond to the questions than to give a simple straightforward response.  
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