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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia
Penn Chicago Caltech
Northwestern Duke Dartmouth Brown Berkeley 
Cornell Johns Hopkins[/quote][/quote]

Best list so far.[/quote]

Not sure Stanford is above Yale, Princeton, Columbia. I know multiple kids who were rejected by Yale, Princeton, Columbia but admitted to Stanford. [/quote]

Stanford is probably in a similar tier with Yale and Princeton, but these days perception is that Harvard and Stanford are best of best.  There is a drop between HYPSM and Columbia[/quote]

So what exactly is this gap between HYPSM and Columbia?[/quote]

Endowment and caliber of students[/quote]

Columbia’s acceptance rate this year was 4% this year. No different from Princeton, Yale or Stanford. You guys are living in the past. My son is at Yale but almost chose Columbia. He did not consider it any less prestigious  [/quote]

Much lower yield rate..Columbia is stil nowhere near HYPSM[/quote]

University of Puerto Rico yield rate is 78.34%  So what?  [/quote]

Doesn't change the fact that Columbia students are mostly HYPSM Wharton rejects[/quote]

If Columbia were located in let’s say Newark, NJ do you think they would even be in the top 10? The biggest allure is NYC and that is undeniable.[/quote]

What's with all this nonsense Columbia bashing. It's pathetic and annoying. Even the Berkeley bashers took a more rational approach than them.

Accept the facts: its acceptance rate is only beaten by Harvard, but they still lose in undergrad desirability as they have to use ED instead of SCEA. The "everyone applies because of NYC" thing is stupid, then every college in NYC would have a substantially lower acceptance rate, which is not true. The number of people who throw an application for Harvard just for giggles is probably greater. In undergrad desirability, it is below HYPSM, but above Penn and Chicago.

Graduate programs are a whole different story. Law is top 4, med is top 4, business is part of the M7. No other school except Harvard and Stanford are better than Columbia in all three of these. They have the #1 international relations school and the #1 journalism school as well. For arts and sciences, it is only beaten by Harvard and Stanford again; for example, Columbia's STEM is way better than Yale's, but their humanities is inferior by a tiny bit.

When speaking about the overall success of Columbia, it is only bested by Harvard and Stanford. Maybe MIT because their unrivaled STEM programs can outweigh the lack of other subjects. Maybe Berkeley because while their undergrad program has much left to be desired, Berkeley dominates in the graduate arts and sciences. But other than that, no other school can match the broad success that Columbia has achieved.[/quote]

Stop deluding yourself..it’s direct peers are Chicago and Penn, and a good notch below HYPSM.  [/quote]

Stop deluding yourself. Try looking at each graduate school ranking and departmental standings in a place like AWRU, that scientifically measures the success of these schools. Actually you can’t do that for Princeton because their law, medical, and business schools don’t even exist, and yet you say that Columbia is a “good notch below it!” Nonsense.[/quote]

By that logic Berkeley > Columbia?[/quote]

I’d say Columbia is slightly better but close. Columbia’s law and business is better, and Berkeley doesn’t have a med school. Berkeley’s undergrad is nothing compared to Columbia’s but Berkeley’s noticeable edge in STEM and social sciences must be considered. [/quote]

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