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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Okay sure is correct.  This has already been covered.  Certain practices will only see vaccinated patients.[/quote]

Right now. This will soon stop as soon as Pfizer’s therapeutic hits the market because that stops the pandemic in its tracks.

The policy is being used as a carrot/stick [b]and in a lot of cases, the practices are getting pressure from medical association and threats to their licensing.[/b] [/quote]

NP. I would really like to see a site for that. Honest request! I want to keep tabs on how this evolves.

I think people are partially talking past each other because we may well have different expectations of how this plays out. As it is now -- our current situation, 5/5/2021 -- this consideration isn't going to make much difference to people overall. Some medical practices or other places might be screening, but most are not. It's not going to have much of an effect.

One group of people feels like this is more or less going to be the status quo for the US: still people getting sick and dying, but not overwhelming facilities, and not that many [i]unexpected[/i] people. The deaths are mostly in people that this group already considers tolerable to lose, maybe because this group thinks societal impact of preventing it would be too great (they cite economic effects, small business closures, children's mental health, etc.). Maybe they just don't care about the groups who are dying. Maybe they don't know or believe the extend of "long COVID" concerns. Maybe a mix. Regardless, where we are is okay, and they expect it not to change much.

It's not that hard to understand why this group is going to find discussing segregating people out based on vaccination status to be overkill. The status quo is fine.

A second group expects that we will probably see this evolve -- both because places like India are not isolated from the rest of us, and they are concerned about the new variants. 65% of the deaths in India are now people under 45. Physicians are saying that the number of seriously ill and dying patients under 15 years old is rising, and they did not see that before. Or some in this second group are more aware of the extent of (and believe in) "long COVID" cases in young and middle age people. Or they are aware that the number of child deaths in the US will soon surpass the number of child deaths from H1N1, and that there have been nearly 16,000 COVID hospitalizations in the US already.

That second group does NOT think the status quo is likely to stay the same -- or at least, there is good reason to think that we are not going to be able to stay in this somewhat liminal status quo state. Either more parts of the world will torch up (despite vaccines) because of evolving virus, or whatever.

It's not hard to see why this group expects vaccination status to become quite important.

I think we don't understand each other. I don't think that is going to change very soon.

I posted somewhere on DCUM that there have been 297 child deaths so far in the US, with a significant portion being under 9 years old. (It's actually 303.) Someone responded rather angrily that there was no way this was true, they wanted a source because there would be "outrage" and it would be all over the news. It is true, and it isn't hitting many people's consciousness, for whatever reason.

I think we are coming from very different understandings of where we are and where we are likely to be going. I don't know how to fix that.[/quote]
Great post, and very thoughtful analysis. And I say that as someone who falls into the first group you described.

I think if we can get up to 60% or so vaccination, that's probably good enough to get rid of all restrictions, and just go back to the way life was before the pandemic. We're never going to get the number of covid cases and deaths down to zero. Never. But, covid will fade into the background, just like the flu and other illnesses that kill hundreds or thousands of people every year. [/quote]

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